When Does Patience Become A Folly?

Statements from Manchester United regarding their commitment look foolish in the face of such underperformance. Daniel Storey says that it's time questions were asked...

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solskjaer99 (Manchester United) says...

@crow There is absolutely no reason to think that Moyes will do what Fergie did, no reason at all, Fergie's terrible start at United is exaggerated, he came to United as a proven winner and took over a club utterly in the doldrums, on and off the pitch, despite this he came 2nd in his first full season. Things deteriorated on the pitch after that but the board knew what he was doing behind the scenes and at that time there was no European football, therefore no real financial consequences for finishing 10th rather than 1st, for example. Moyes, however, took over a club engineered for success, there is no behind the scenes rebuilding to be done, even the squad only needed minor tinkering to sustain a title challenge (don't believe the media hype about players under performing, they aren't, they're just carrying out Moyes's tactics), even without alteration, this United squad is better than all bar Chelsea and City, and Moyes has spent more than Arsenal and Liverpool since he took over so he can't claim lack of money as a factor. Moyes has no excuses for United's poor performance, the length of the injury absences by Rooney/RvP have been exaggerated and the teams above us have had similar severe injuries to key players. Moyes will never come good at United, to think he will is taking delusion to scouse like levels.

Posted 11:36am 23rd February 2014

crow says...

Thats a bit rich calling Chelsea fans glory hunters no? UTD is full of them, just look at the Cockney reds if you need reminding. The problem the Glaziers have got is that Moyes might (I doubt it) do a ferguson and start winning stuff in a couple of seasons but can they wait that long? Lets say Man u go two/three seasons not winning anything and maybe missing a CL just so Moyes can get to grips, is that acceptable?Is just one season acceptable? Have the Glaziers shown him support? I know there is talk of money being thrown at the team in the summer but will Moyes be there to spend it?

Posted 5:47pm 20th February 2014

bernsteinforpm (Manchester City) says...

I've worked it out. Jimi's actually Jose. If he throws enough mud about some will stick somewhere. Now if only he can help Moyes to last until his little horse has grown up and bolted...

Posted 7:49pm 14th February 2014

alwaysaboutcity (Manchester City) says...

@harry, don't worry I won't be meeting any obviously unstable men from the tinterweb.. Stranger danger and all that.. @jimi, not on one occasion have you ever proved me a liar. You keep calling me a liar yet fail to ever provide any proof. Let's clear up this last little outburst. "I can't go to all the games, so I just have to pay 200-300 euros for the big games". So yet again no lie. Your beloved pics show nothing, they are club sponsored evidence, as I said at the time I'll take the word of the GMP thanks. You've read the article, you know I haven't made that up. How have I been 'hiding' after the Norwich game? You are replying to posts from early this week.. It's only Wednesday now....How thick are you? I'm hiding yet your replying to my posts?

Posted 8:38pm 12th February 2014

solskjaer99 (Manchester United) says...

@allaboutunited If I was a glory hunter I would no longer be supporting United, since as I've said, United will never win a thing under Moyes. You say I'm revelling in being right, far from it, everything Moyes does makes me angry. If I was a glory hunter, I'd do as you tediously say and go and support Chelsea, but I'm not, so I won't. You come over all pious as if you're such a great human being for putting so much stock in the platitudes of Moyes's former players, even though they're just saying what all players say when asked about managers they've worked with, it's hilarious that you think that this is more important than using your own eyes and brain to make your own judgement on Moyes. No, as I said, I don't know exactly what Ferguson and his coaches did better than Moyes and his, but when my car won't start I don't need to be a mechanic to know it needs fixed. Players are overwhelmingly stupid people who are blessed with good co-ordination and dedication, you should pay attention to their feet, not their mouths. As for just wanting trophies, how dreadful, it's disgraceful that I have the audacity to want the club to succeed, what a terrible fan I am. I'm not that arsed if United don't win a trophy for a while, although there really should be no reason they shouldn't, but I don't think it's too much to ask for a squad containing the attacking talents of Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, Mata, Hernandez and Wellbeck to try and play attacking football. @HarryBoulton I'll be the one with the red carnation between my teeth.

Posted 7:00pm 12th February 2014

mrunited4life (Manchester United) says...

I have to admire- solskjaer99, he's been right all along. Can't believe this imbecile has been allowed to ruin a great club like MUFC. Any proper organization/ business should have gotten rid of this tool a long time ago. He's never been & will never be up to the required level. He's a pathetic excuse of a coach. Please Fergie just accept you fu**ed up and we can move on without David Fu**ing Moyes

Posted 5:55pm 12th February 2014

allaboutunited says...

@alwayslyingaboutcity....yeah I know what you did, you did what you always do....make something up. Like the euros bit....no idea what that relates to. As for the 360 pics.....I only mentioned that because you believed there were 5000 empty seats for a game against Liverpool....the pics confirmed you were making that up as well. At least youve now admitted to making stuff up. That's progress, I'm proud of you. Now did you explain where you were hiding after the poor display against Norwich, or are you going to pretend you were on holiday again....for the 5th time since August??

Posted 5:37pm 12th February 2014

HarryBoulton says...

Has it really reached a point where people are offering to meet others? Cripes, maybe we could all go on a speed dating night, really get to know each other. I'm a sucker for Cadbury's chocolate fingers, if anyone's interested. Bring some of them and I'm yours.......

Posted 4:33pm 12th February 2014

allaboutunited says...

@smu02ns.... My reasons for supporting Moyes comes from listening to the people that have actually worked with him. The Telegraph carried a few interviews with his former players over the weekend. I tend to give more weight to the people that know what they are talking about.....rather than those that 'think' they know it all. I except that Moyes is partly to blame, I just think its a bit simple to blame him entirely. For me, Solskjaer doesn't know what he's talking about, he just wants trophies or he's not interested.

Posted 3:38pm 12th February 2014

Synergy says...

@allaboutunited> Think us fans have asked again and again, what exactly has Moyes brought to United's game? A quick passing game? No, High pressing? No, Clever pass and runs? No, Innovative tactics? No, Modifying formation to suit the players? No.

In short all Moyes has done is ask the players to play like Everton have done during the Moyes era...crosses and more crosses and our defense looks worse than ever. You say 31 chances, I can't remember 5 decent chances. Crosses to nobody are not chances.

This isn't a reaction to one game. If anything United fans have been unusually patient. We have given him time, bought into the "players need to get healthy", "we need new players" and all the other excuses Moyes came up with. Then players came back and we got the fantastic Juan Mata and yet we continue to play rubbish football.

Many of us are fine with no CL spot next year if we can see the effects of an overhaul, like a totally different playing style. I personally can't see anything. And good for you if you are a mindless drone and can support a team unconditionally. Rest of us aren't drones and want to see changes if things are not working. I will continue to support the team even if relegated, however that doesn't mean I don't want to see the team make changes when its obvious things aren't working out.

Posted 1:43pm 12th February 2014

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