25 England Fans To Avoid...

The World Cup is wonderful until it's spoilt by people with flags on their cars and houses, anyone who thinks the war has just ended and those who blame the foreigns...

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littler_dutch (Arsenal) says...

It's ironic that some of the more offended types in the comments section took exception to what they deemed to be a critique of chavs offered the term "hipster" as some kind of retaliatory accusation at John. Much in the way 'chav' has morphed into a lazy shorthand for the working class, the term 'hipster' has become an equally unimaginative shorthand for the unthinking as an automated jibe to anyone that so much as dabbles a toe outside of the mainstream. It's an equally reductive, stupid term. Also worth noting that JN is a product of 1960s teeside and therefore probably doesn't have a silver spoon in his mouth as some have assumed! I don't think he's saying these sorts of people should be shot, or banned or imprisoned, just avoided. It's ok to dislike people and it's ok to say so.

Posted 10:19pm 11th June 2014

spudsmuggler (Celtic) says...

why not just tell the truth English fans are to be avoided Everywhere

Posted 4:20pm 11th June 2014

rez plus (Manchester United) says...

@pot51e - what sarcasm? There isn't any. How would sarcasm even operate here? Are you suggesting it's some sort of clever parody and actually JN thinks these 25 supposed groups are actually the salt of the earth?

Posted 2:09pm 11th June 2014

pot51e (Rotherham United) says...

@dirtyblonde. No, I think its because you cannot understand the sarcasm within the piece, and humour must seem a remote abstract concept to you...

Posted 11:44am 11th June 2014

tuam365 says...

@ solskjaer99. I take your point on board, it's well thought out and there is definitely some truth to it. But i believe that the blame lies with the Premier League clubs who refuse to produce and nurture youth. City and Chelsea's youth development is atrocious, as is most other club's - it's much easier to buy a foreigner that's developed rather than build him from the age of 8. The money in the premier league means that every one wants the quick fix, youth development is only window dressing. Of the England U17 team, none of these guys will get first team football at a prem/championship club within the next 18 months because 'grown men' will be bought to fill the places that should be theirs. That team and their success should be harvested, but it won't be and those guys will just wither away. As for the solution to this issue - who knows!! (but everyone will have plenty of ideas in 3 weeks time!) Question: what is the best English team of the last 25 years? Italia 90? Munich 2001? Italia 90 team was made up of Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U and Spurs Munich Team - Liverpool and ManU There were good players in those teams and they were developed from a young age by their clubs. This does not happen anymore

Posted 10:42am 11th June 2014

johnwolf (Wolverhampton Wanderers) says...

In the interests of balance could Mediawatch contrast this The fact that football media on TV and in the press doesn't use 'bad' language at all has always struck us as somewhat odd. Clearly, standards have to be maintained but allowing a pundit to say "that was a f***ing disgrace" after a bad penalty call, would only be appropriate and would sometimes better express our collective feelings. With this Those who get drunk and furious and shout abuse at the TV in front of small children.

Posted 10:43pm 10th June 2014

solskjaer99 (Manchester United) says...

@tuam365 No, you're wrong there, on your main point and that people don't like to hear it, they do, we hear it all the time. There are few English players making it at top clubs because they aren't good enough, which is the same reason the English national side isn't good enough, that's the fault of the English coaching setup, not foreign players. Demanding quotas of English players in the Premier League will make the league weak, it won't make the English national side stronger, everyone loses. It's an obvious point, made many times, but it is true England were rubbish for most of the 1970s and 1980s when there were very few foreign players, for the same reason they're not good enough now, youth coaching values physical over technical attributes or footballing intelligence, it's the reason success at U17 level doesn't translate to senior success, by then the other nations' players have caught up physically but are streets ahead technically. It's so obvious and yet all the self appointed experts fail to see it, and when England go out all we'll hear is that we need to limit the number of foreigners in the Premier League, it's all so predictable.

Posted 10:40pm 10th June 2014

johnwolf (Wolverhampton Wanderers) says...

Well I don't recognize myself in those 25 points and I think this piece is terrible

Posted 6:23pm 10th June 2014

dirtyblonde (Arsenal) says...

Interesting to read the comments that agree with this article - The basic theme is if you don't agree with the article then you must be one of the 25 different types of moron listed in it. Which I guess makes sense because that's exactly the premise of the article itself. Pompus, sneering, arrogant, and just plain spiteful. And no, I'm not reading to much into it, my daughter who is on the verge of getting her masters in psychology told me that it's not the words so much as it is the underlying emotion behind the words. Then she said something about interpersonal intuition...?? I got lost at that point...I guess that's because I'm a moron right?

Posted 6:16pm 10th June 2014

tk421 says...

You want "sneering", I'll give you f**king sneering.

Posted 3:48pm 10th June 2014

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