One Mailboxer may have spent lunch in the pub in suggesting Van Persie could go back to Arsenal. Also, some Premier League meh-ing and a fine Acewatch suggestion...
Even the lesser teams have players like Luis Suarez and Romelu Lukaku so it's all bloody good fun. But mostly the mailbox features United fans being told to grow up...
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Open Letter To David Moyes
Firstly Congratulations! I would be super excited if I were you as well. There is no harm in sounding excited about a new job in press conferences.
It takes courage to take over from Fergie. It also takes courage to speak the truth. I agree that Rooney is no longer first choice and is truly only needed to cover for RVP. Kagawa seems ideal for the role in the hole. Additionally, a bid for Fabregas and Thiago shows you are clearly prioritizing for the gaping hole in midfield and filling it with style. Whether they join the club or not, I believe you are after the right talent for the correct positions. Baines for left-back also is a clear winner.
It doesn't matter what people say. We as fans are clearly a paranoid bunch. Ignore us. We used to question Fergie often and that speaks more about us as fans than you as a manager. In short, nobody would have been good enough to fill Fergie's shoes. We would offer just as much scepticism in a different form to a Mourinho or a Pep.
One more thing, I believe Fergie put you into this false position by opening his mouth on Rooney's situation. If he had not blurbed it to the media, you could easily have dealt with this behind closed doors but well, he is Fergie after all. I don't care if you sell Rooney to our nearest and biggest rival, let him rot in the reserves or simply keep him. Yes, it will cause short-term damage but Rooney or anybody else cannot hold United to ransom especially given his performances. I am betting on you as a manager for a five to ten-year horizon so it is okay in my eyes to lose some up front.
Do as you please. Independent of what you do, some of the 100 million fans will support you. Some of us will hate you. Some of us will love you.
Sudarsan Ravi (Everybody, take a deep breath)
Nothing Wrong With Moyes: Chill Out
I would like to take issue with the musings of Alex Thorpe from this morning's mailbox. He and a few other Manchester United fans appear to be somewhat concerned about the manner in which their club is presently being run and this morning young Mr Thorpe took umbrage at the PR department at the club, accusing them of being inept for a variety of mistakes they have made in recent months.
Firstly he is concerned that Moyes revealed he was Ferguson's choice. As Alex noted they are a multi-million, potentially billion, pound company with a massive fan base not all of whom go by the name Alex Thorpe. Some of these fans would be reassured by the fact that the man chosen to succeed Ferguson was approved by the man himself. The succession to Ferguson was always going to be a nightmare for United and there were always going to be a handful of people like Mark MUFC who were going to have to rock themselves to sleep at night. It was a delicate situation and I presume the people at the club (which probably included some PR professionals) decided that what they did was the best or at least the least worst thing they could do in an impossible situation.
Secondly, you claim Moyes is 'prodding Wayne Rooney in the balls with a stick made of angry bees' and that this is a bad thing. Do you really think that with the possibility of a transfer 'saga' hanging over the player that Moyes wouldn't have contemplated the ramifications of his public utterances? I don't know what goes on behind the scenes at football clubs but I imagine that those that are there know a thing or two about what they're doing. Do you really think the club would have a serious interest in Fabregas (and I don't just mean that some prat at some tabloid 'understands' that x is interested in y) if they weren't in some way encouraged (weren't him and RVP bff's at one point?)?
I don't really know where I'm going with this. I suppose what I want to say is that all y'all internet warriors need to chill the f*ck out. I'm pretty confident that people who work in football know more about it than you. And I'm also fairly confident that your opinion is worth about three-eighths of sod all to them.
...Oh Alex Thorpe, everything you said, has an opposing point of view. You state it like it's a fact, like you're in the know, like every other opinion is wrong.
1. Considering the split in fans reaction to him, Moyes being appointed as manager, is surely daring. He's not won much, and he isn't Pep or Jose Or Carlo. Also, telling everybody that Sir Alex rang him and gave him the job is surely a great idea. "Check it out boys, Sir Alex, the greatest manager and human being ever, says I'm up for the job". There's no better validation or qualification possible. Also, increasingly bad decisions? Like signing De Gea and Van Persie? Like winning the title with a squad rather than a team?
2. Maybe, Moyes is prodding Rooney to see what his reaction will be? Fight or flight. Find out what his character is like. "Moyes says I'm not good enough eh? Well I'll prove that f*cker wrong," and then goes on to score 70 goals in 10 appearances. Rooney's been told he's wanted, but he's also been told he's not guaranteed 1st team. Also, maybe Moyes is stamping his authority on the team. Maybe, his mate Fergie is giving him some pointers too?
3. Which decent players signing for affordable prices are you talking about? Any examples? I see Cavani has gone for 50 squillion - is that who you're on about? Maybe Carroll was your bit of crumpet - a snip at 15! Also, if he wants Fabregas, why start bidding at your top price - have you negotiated before? I heard you start low and then go upwards. Eventually getting to a price you can both agree on.
You Sir, are very far away from being a PR genius at one of the world's biggest clubs.
Nick (not a UTD fan or a PR genius) Poninski
Get Behind Your Manager And Club
Oh my freaking God!
All you supposed United fans who are bitching and moaning about Moyes, about Rooney, about Cleverley and Welbeck, you all need to take yourselves aside and have a quiet word.
You are being a disgrace. True fans are better than this.
Rooney is one of the best players in the world. The world's other top clubs are queuing up for the chance to sign him, apparently offering some of their best players to do it. Doesn't that mean anything to you simpletons?
So we missed out on Thiago (an unproven workshy kid), and are making joke bids to unsettle Fabregas, maybe to prompt Arsenal into making a move themselves. It doesn't matter, the club is strong enough to ride the storm; the manager handpicked by his legendary predecessor is not a bad manager, just give him a chance.
We will likely land a couple of good players, we will likely keep Rooney who had lost his mojo under Sir Alex but can return to his best under the manager who brought him through. We will likely be there or thereabouts by the end of the season.
As has been discussed previously, it is our job and responsibility as supporters to get behind the players and the manager. We do not sabotage our own team. We leave it to other clubs to boo their manager.
Most of us have not experienced change like this in football. For some of us who were there at the beginning of the ride, it has brought us calm. For those who have come later, a sense of entitlement.
But whatever your position, it is at this delicate time that you do NOT rock the boat.
Get behind the club, the manager and the players, or we will see our best players at our rival clubs scoring goals against us and kissing their badge instead.
Guy S (you'll damage your knees with such jerks you know)
You All Have Short Memories
Right, I'm going to play devil's advocate here because I think there's a lot of Man Utd fans who should be banging their heads together. I think some are trying to save face, dismissing Rooney out of hand in a bid to show that no player is bigger than the club', but I think a lot of these fans are revising their history in order to save their pride. No player is bigger than the club, on this I agree, but let's look at this from his perspective.
Following the Champions League win in 2008 the Glazers effectively asset stripped the playing squad. Tevez was released and Ronaldo was sold for £80m, replaced by Antonio Valencia; a downgrade if ever there was one. Rooney was basically left to carry the fight up front on his own and he did this wonderfully. 34 goals in the 09/10 season; he did his bit but despite his goal output, Chelsea beat us to the title. At this point, when he questioned the club's ambition, EVERY single United fan I spoke to sympathised with his point. He had pulled up trees that season, but the upshot was that the playing squad wasn't up to scratch. Let's not pretend that we didn't all agree with him; we all demanded more investment from the club's owners. The following season wasn't vintage but Rooney played very, VERY well towards the end of that season, taking us to the CL final, scoring vital goals along the way against Chelsea, and another one in the final. We also re-claimed the league that season, lest we forget. In the 11/12 season he once again hit 34 goals, and once again we were beaten to the title, based almost entirely on a make-shift defence and a lousy midfield. This was the second time in three seasons that he's stuck to his end of the bargain by bagging the goals, only to see the side let the title slip away again, this time to City.
People seem to forget what Rooney has done for this club over nine years, whilst WILDLY exaggerating his so called 'decline'. Some fans, I feel, are turning their back on nine years of effectively sterling work, whilst being all too quick to make loving eyes at RvP, a wonderful player who has contributed towards one good season. I'm sorry, but one good season against nine great ones.
Can we really not see why Wayne might be upset?
Harry The Manc
Wouldn't Accept £10m + Mata/Luiz With A Bargepole
So, rather brilliantly, it hasn't taken Mourinho long to try and undermine Moyes, commenting that if Rooney isn't his first choice it'll harm the (obviously currently rather successful) England team, and then dropping in an offer of £10m plus either Mata or Luiz.
Putting aside what Moyes actually said about Rooney, the brilliance of the offer is that I'm probably in the minority of the mails you'll receive that wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, given the consistent anti-Rooney mails you seem to get, so there will be pressure on Moyes to do something.
The reason for me objectiving is that it is quite obvious we need a couple of quality midfielders: an enforcer and a creative. If we swap Rooney for Mata/Luiz, we suddenly have to find another world-class striker as well (regardless of what you might think of him people, there's a reason Chelsea and everybody else would snap him up) and strikers invariably cost a hell of a lot more than midfielders. Plus given that most of the available big names out there have already made their moves, who would we get? We'd then have to take the chance that they would settle straight away, and have the pain of making sure we didn't screw ourselves over on FFP.
Not only that, but Chelsea with their signings and Mourinho are probably favourites for the league this year given that both Manchester clubs have new managers, United have yet to recruit any big players to a squad that was considered largely to have achieved success because of Ferguson rather than its outstanding ability, and Arsenal are...well, Arsenal. So in giving Rooney to Mourinho we'd not only be weakening our front line, but handing our main rivals a star striker.
I'd rather buy Fellaini (please for the love of God just get that over with), an attacking midfielder from somewhere (Fabregas would be amazing but unlikely) and let Rooney run the two years he has left down on his contract and replace him in two years. Also part of me wants Rooney put in his place. You wanted players the standard of RvP mate, you got him. You want your place back, earn it.
David P, Manchester
We Would Never Offer Mata
Now I'm sure that you'll receive plenty of emails such as this, but here is my two penny's worth...
There is no way in hell that Chelsea would offer Juan Mata (regardless of any cash also included) in exchange for Rooney. Why would we sell one of our most influential and naturally talented players, to our biggest title rival for the coming season? Simple answer, we wouldn't!
Is it just me, or does anyone else get the impression that Mr Moyes is trying to force through the Fabregas deal? If Barca think that United's interest is fizzling out, they may (probably bloody not though) reduce their asking price a touch, therefore speed the whole process up.
Don't hold your breath Mr Moyes, I can't see your devious little ploy having any affect, except for the obvious mass of upcoming trouser tents from any United fans delusional enough to believe any of this tripe!!
Tony (Mata for POTY this coming season, BTW) CFC
Oh, it's all lies.
The point still stands though: United are negotiating, which is good, and Mata would be expendable for a truly exceptional striker, given Chelsea's depth of creative/wide midfield types.
Fickle About Suarez
I've just seen the Luis Suarez advert that was in today's Mediawatch. I used to hate him. I mean really hate him. Now I love him.
And yes, I am the most fickle man alive.
David (When did no brackets become the trademark of the F365 Mailbox hipster? You bunch (herd?) of sheep) Cambridge
Things Could Get Worse
Just to back up my assertion yesterday that some Man U fans are getting a wee bit hysterical about a mere change of manager, and that things are never that bleak, I found out today that Ipswich are on the verge of resigning Titus Bramble, and you know what? That's. Just. Fine. No McCarthy Out A4 sheets, no prediction of decades of decline, no threatening to boycott the club. I think the 31 year old, who has been released and isn't wanted elsewhere, will fit in just right. Just right.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some work to do in a darkened room. For your information I shall be cutting onions should any of you see me later and think I've been crying.
Chris ITFC, Liverpool
Easing You Back In
Ah yes, good old Mediawatch! After a long lay-off of stories about severed manly parts, the guys are easing us back to match fitness with simple stories of bite marks. Softly Softly approach I see!
Well done boys!
John Whelan, LUFC
I know it's close season and you've not got much to write about, but these days Mediawatch is sounding very bitter and spiteful. Take a chill pill and enjoy life, the sun is shining outside.
Relax, it's only bulls**t.