In a Sunday Mailbox which is understandably dominated by Manchester United, there are a few little bits for the rest, specifically Chelsea & a Liverpool Christmas list...
One Mailboxer may have spent lunch in the pub in suggesting Van Persie could go back to Arsenal. Also, some Premier League meh-ing and a fine Acewatch suggestion...
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Di Canio > Moyes
Right, I expect to be crucified for this. I mentioned it to my mate and he tore me to shreds. And just because I'm saying this it doesnt mean I'm part of the 'Moyes out' brigade, and I'm not a plastic fan (raised as United fan by my dad who was raised as one by his dad). But here goes...I'd rather have Paolo Di Canio in charge of Man United than David Moyes.
Yes, he has even less experience of being with big clubs than small club Moyes. Yes, he aboslutely ballsed up his time at Sunderland. Yes, he's absolutely mental. But I would rather have him than Moyes. As you so often say, DM is like a kid on his first day of school. He looks massively overhwelmed by the whole situation and appears to be crumbling under the pressure, even walking out of press conferences. Not Di Canio. He'd walk out onto the Old Trafford turf, no awkward, nervous smile on his face. He's not the new kid at school. He's the new kid that everybody's scared of because you've heard about him being excluded from his last school for leathering a teacher.
And can you imagine PDC in his post-match interview? "Ashley Young was terrible. He is not a man. He is a boy". How great would it be to hear that instead of constant unwarranted defence. The players need a man they can be scared of, and I would be absolutely petrified of Di Canio. Granted, sometimes he takes this to the absolute extreme, something he needs to calm down and something he needs to learn as a young manager to try and control. But it's better than mundane Moyes.
Di Canio would be a massive gamble for a big club. But I genuinely think he has the potential and characterisitcs to be a great manager. Maybe one day he will be, but only a few months into Moyes' tenure and I am doubting whether Moyes can be that great manager. I'm not suggesting I want him out right away, but he has a lot of work to do to turn this season around.
All that being said, a couple of years ago I said Taraabt could be Man United's new number 7 star though, so what do I know?
Cleverley: An Excellent Water-Carrier
Hallelujah. Football is full of opinions and, even worse, full of people who think that they know what their opinion means. Thankfully, my faith in other football fans is occasionally stoked by people who understand what they're watching. This season, that faith has been partially restored by Jack (not even a UTD fan) S in his assessment of Tom Cleverley.
Under another guise, during the transfer blog, I battled and seemingly bated other football fans (oddly, often UTD fans), by suggesting that Tom Cleverley is massive under-rated. This is a player who is archetypal to the Man Utd's academy's philosophy i.e. he makes the right decision every time he receives the ball - if you'd been anywhere near either of the Manchester academies, you'd know. He rarely concedes possession under pressure, he's nearly always available and he doesn't give the ball away with errant passes. However, most importantly, those possession-keeping passes aren't half as dull as people would have you believe. Though, not always (relatively rarely) defence - splitting - Big Screen - Hollywood - Steven Gerrard - esque, he moves the ball to the right areas and is clever enough to know where they are.
Which brings me to Tom Cleverley's main problem (Jack touched upon this in his mail). Tom Cleverley is miscast. Not by Man Utd staff, but by the media and subsequently, his own team's fans. Tom Cleverley is, as Cantona would put it, a water carrier, and a bloody good one at that. Over his carrier he'll develop other strings to his bow - he's got another four years before he's supposed to be peaking, but he'll always be that player who shuttles the ball around and keeps things ticking over. In a three-man central midfield, it's a luxury that you can afford, and according to yesterday's mailbox, it's more than that - you actually need players like that to succeed. He'll receive the ball and he'll ensure you keep that ball. Unselfish and seeing the bigger picture, he plays the game in his head and, apparently surreptitiously, moves the team into the final third. If Man Utd and England fans can't see this, then as a football nation we're doomed.
Elo (Don't get me started on Welbeck!) Lancaster - Crouch End - Basel
...Totally agree with Jack S on Cleverley but haven't been brave enough to write in as F365 seem as anti him as the red-rag fans are!
The most regular argument I have with Utd fans is about poor young Tom. He's a cracking little player, one of the most technically 'tidy' players who could potentially play for England and especially Man Utd, and yet, everyone seems to blame him for the failings of the players around him. Seemingly, this is because he doesn't try and do everyone's job a la Stevie G, sticking to his own role in the team. It's because of players like Tom (and for example, the much-maligned Dirk Kuyt) that players with less sense and more chutzpah can run about like headless chickens taking all the plaudits.
That is why Milner and Welbeck get games for City, Utd and England too. Not creatively spectacular, but essential team players, and dangerous when in tandem with a few 'more flighty' chaps. Put more than two of them in your midfield/attack though, and you are Roy Hodgson.
Cleverley made a huge difference against us at the weekend - the difference between Utd conceding four goals in about an hour, whilst looking utterly defenceless and toothless; and appearing to be the better side on the pitch. He was central to the possession game that Utd evolved into as the match progressed. This admittedly may have been helped by City sitting back after the job was done, but still.
Utd fans and the media do this all the time, and it has always driven me round the bend. There is always some young British player at Utd who is mystifyingly (to me) widely considered to be "not fit to wear the shirt". irst it was Nicky Butt, player of the tournament at WC 2002. Next, it was Darren Fletcher, about whom very little needs to be said.
Now it is Cleverley. Two or three years, he'll be the bloody captain, I bet you.
The Real United Problem
Since the start of the season I have heard that: Carrick and Cleverley are the perfect combination for United in midfield, Carrick and Cleverley lack muscle and presence, Carrick and Fellaini are the perfect combination, Carrick and Fellaini are too flat, Cleverley is a waste of space, United need Cleverley to retain possession and have some movement in midfield, Young is a waste of space and time.
The one I agree with is that Young is a waste of space and time.
This Is Not The Same United Team
If I hear one more person say 'this is the same team that won the title last season', well, I won't really do anything but I will get really really f*cking annoyed and presume that that person is in fact a moron.
It is the same team yes. It is the same team apart from losing Paul Scholes. Who's that other chap though, that might have made a bit of a difference? Jeffrey in the tea room? Pauline in the megastore? Oh, wait, no that's right, Sir Alex Ferguson the world's best ever manager and juggernaut who took us to that title. And his entire coaching team.
Not to mention many of our players were considered poor last season (and have not improved) we were very much reliant on a superb season from Van Persie and Carrick.
Man City have brought in new players, refreshed the squad, a new manager, and crucially have their key players from their title-winning season, Aguero, Kompany and Yaya back fit and in form.
Chelsea have brought in trophy magnet Jose, Spurs have invested £100m+ in some of Europe's brightest young talent and Arsenal have brought in one of the best players in the world.
Januzaj and Zaha may well be great but if you keep playing the world's sh*ttest player instead of them they won't do much good.
I'm more than willing to give Moyes time, and will not be calling for his head, but he is up against it, and is making some very very obvious mistakes.
It is the same team that won the title last season, but that means nothing. Standing still is going backwards as the old adage goes, this could not be more applicable. So please, please stop saying that.
AS Camden (Let's see some ambition in tonights line up - Tottenham are looking great, aren't they?)
Moyes Does Need To See Them
By 'getting to know his players' do you not think that Moyes needs to see how they react in situations like Sunday to be able to 'get to know them'? Will they do a Rooney and show passion and commitment, despite being 4-0 down or will they do a Young and disappear out of the game even further? Knowing the names of your players wives, what music they like and what food they prefer will not tell you how they react to adversity.
Paul Milton, Man Utd
Stop Picking On Moyes
Can we please stop talking about David Moyes for a few seconds? He may not have covered himself in glory so far, but he's had 5 (FIVE) league games. He's been in the job for a few months and lost at Anfield and the Etihad and drawn at home to Chelsea. The performances haven't been fantastic (and I'd like to see improvement as much as anyone), but we weren't spectacular last year under Ferguson either. We're five points from the league leaders having played three of the hardest matches we'll have all season. If we're mid-table at Christmas or we end up 6th after 38 games, then by all means sink your teeth in. But for now, let's have a little perspective and, I know this sounds crazy, but maybe let's not jump at every tiny implication and insinuation to try and further discredit a man who is in a tough position and has had poor support from both board and playing squad. It is Manchester United who lost 4-1 on Sunday, not just David Moyes.
Not #MoyesOut But...
Moyes' declaration of our need for some new first team players three weeks after the transfer window has ended pretty much sums up a lot of fans' apprehension at the start of this season. Saying this, I don't buy the argument that he will be a disaster. Were you to listen to some, you'd have reason to believe that he had taken a flamethrower to the trophy cabinet and cartwheels round Carrington, not knowing what's going on and feeling a bit sick. No one actually knows how he is going to do but the narrative for David has already been written.
Remember when Rooney was a useless dog of a footballer destined for the exit door, where many fans would be happy to wave him off? Seems like a long time ago doesn't it? Predictions in football are article fillers and anyone who holds any faith in them should be seriously considering a mental health assessment. I suspect Degsy is wheeled out of an institute to write the Cheeky Punt every Friday, then wheeled straight back in.
Now while I'm not trending #MoyesOut, his words about our transfer business are worrying. It's apparent to everyone with reasonable mental faculty that United's summer has been a sequence of comedy balls-ups, punctuated by rejection and failed bids, which ended with, appropriately, an over-inflated transfer. Moyes has seen we are lacking in certain areas, I imagine that he then put forward some names to reinforce these areas, which our transfer reps then proceeded to f*** up royally. What happened when Gill left? Did he take all his minions with him? Surely there must be someone left who knows what they're doing?
January is going to be a big month if Moyes' words are to be believed.
Smyth, MUFC (5 a-side tonight - will be Henrying every goal)
...So, after five matches into the season the realities of having a new Manchester United manager have come home to the fans as well as the guy himself. Honestly, after much (football) soul -earching after Sunday there's a fair bit of frustration at Moyes's performance, but I still think the bigger picture needs to be looked at.
If you were going to slice a Pie-o-Blame for Sundays result it would be broadly be cut three ways. A third for how excellent C*ty were, a third for Moyes's tactical ineptness with the final third being down to the players themselves. I think most United fans would say for quite a few years (in fact since Ronaldo left) that we were far from a vintage side. The addition last year of van Persie papered over many cracks (imagine a stick with a diamond edge blade stuck on the end, ugly but deadly) but ultimately the rest of team looked flat even last year. As much as Fellaini will add bite in the middle of the pitch, that won't help much when three-quarters of the defence look as if they need to be put out to pasture. As much as it pains me we can't live on the memories of Rio and Vida in their prime...
Likewise the squad has a lot of deadwood. I though it only fair enough that Moyes gave a chance to assess these players himself and see if he could motivate them in a way Ferguson couldn't. But it looks as if little has changed. As much as I hate the bilious criticism by fans these days (it's not as if they don't want to do well) there has to come a point when you say 'no, you'll never be good enough - goodbye'. So in regards to evolving the squad/bring in youth/establishing a new CB partnership, we need to give Moyes time. But there's still plenty of room for immediate improvement.
It's beggars belief why the 4-4-2 is so rigidly stuck to, especially when the players in the key positions look badly out of form. It was the same at Anfield too - up, down, left, right with little movement or incision. Ferguson's great teams had the ability to exploit the benefits of the system, i.e. great partnerships through the spine, plus brilliant wingers. Not only is it now antiquated, it's doubly frustrating as we know the potential from our best performances playing a different way last year (Chelsea & City away, the Madrid games). Added to that the indecision to make changes when needed, I mean what did he see in the first half to think that it didn't need changing?
I still have faith that he's the right man, and that his tenure will come good. It's worth remembering that this is THE transition season and we've had embarrassing defeats before. It's right that we're not pleased at the moment, but it's a little soon for knee-jerks as most of his big tasks need at least a season to get to the bottom of. At the moment though, we can't afford to turn our nose up at the League Cup.
Red (generic witty comment) Ben
What Is Moyes' Plan?
Defeats away to Pool and City are not that big disasters (though a 1-0 defeat rather than the embarrassment of Sunday might have helped). However what really worries me is that Moyes doesnt necessarily seems to have a plan or system. In the summer he tried to sign Fabregas, Thiago (allegedly), De Rossi and finally ended up with Fellaini. And since he signed Fellaini so late after his clause expired we can assume he really wasn't his first choice and wasn't going to sign him if we got cesc (or he is a bit stupid, you pick). What I can't understand is that all those players are so different. It seems like he wanted to sign a CM because the fans wanted one and so he just made a list and signed the first one he could. Shouldn't he first have thought up of a system and then tried to sign players accordingly?
And in the matches against Pool, Chelsea an City when it was clear at half-time things weren't working, why was he so hesitant to make a change. Especially against City. Did he think things would magically improve. Now I haven't really followed Everton that closely so maybe their fans can tell if Moyes was always so slow to react in matches? I remember the Pool vs Everton match last time when Pool trailed 2-0 at half time. Even Brendon ***king Rodgers reacted fast enough to try and salvage something, Moyes just sat there doing nothing (and not taking Young off which is even worse!). I am prepared to give Moyes time, at least till the end of the season to judge him but he has to start reacting, at least show why he is the manager of one of the biggest football clubs in the world.
Looking Forward To Winning As An Underdog
I have grown up as a United fan and seen us win everything before us. Sure, we never dominated Europe the way Barcelona did but pretty much every year we win a major trophy. On the odd year we have ended trophyless, Fergie has gone and splashed £30m and we've won something the next year. It's been good, we've played some exciting football and there have been some incredible moments along the way.
Since losing out on goal difference (Jesus that was heart-breaking though as a football fan above all else can not help but appreciate that moment even a year later) it's been a little boring...actually since Ronaldo left it's been boring. We have shown a little flair and seen a couple of incredible overhead kicks, ultimately we've just been ruthless - I think we won 18/19 home games in the league in our second most recent title win? It's been predictable. The Real Madrid fixture at Old Trafford last season was the only game that got the adrenaline flowing. It just seemed we were inevitably going to win every other game i.e. Chelsea and City away, Arsenal at home, Liverpool...no challenge whatsoever.
Towards the end of the season I longed for something to change. Of course I enjoyed seeing my team win - any football fan who says otherwise needs to be slapped in the face - and when Fergie announced his retirement it seemed like I was going to get what I wished for. I and millions of others have been spoiled for the last 20 years and for the first time in years felt excited about the upcoming season. I want us to win more than ever, that's been the idea all along, but I want to do it as the underdog. There is no better feeling in football.
If you're outraged by Moyes' tactics, lack of transfers and press conferences then could you kindly either support another team or keep your opinions to yourself for just a little longer? He's managed seven games. Let him get to 50 before making any real analysis. We are at the risk of becoming the Liverpool fans in denial United fans so often mock. I don't want to be one of the fans shouting about how many league titles we've won. I just want to know we will entertain in the next game. If you enjoy bragging rights and post-match analysis more than you enjoy the actual 90 minutes you're not a real football fan so go support City.
Rikin (Ronaldo please come back...)
Why United Are Not New Liverpool
Firstly, and the main reason I feel so strongly about this, is that the universe is rarely that kind.
Secondly, what held Liverpool back was not on the field but a staggering lack of skill and direction (and risk appetite) from the boardroom. The continuing profitability of the Glazers' model, and proactive decisions they seem to be making off the pitch don't give any indication that they're being badly run. Perhaps not run with the interests of the fans at heart, but certainly not badly run. Additionally, were you to stumble, I doubt you'd have (this time different) owners who'd threaten to sack Moyes for only getting to two Champions League finals and replace him with Jurgen Klinnsman.
Three, if you look at the limitations of the manager and compare that to Liverpool in the day, Moyes also inherited an aging squad, but unlike Souness didn't kick out the main creative player (Beardsley) and bring in a load of laughable cloggers. Unless you consider Kagawa, but after only a handful of games in a 50-game season it'd be harsh to say he's being forced out. He hasn't tampered with a title-winning squad, but signed the talented and strong midfielder you were all crying out for. He's not brought in anyone like Julian D1cks yet...
Four, and your fear of missing out on key players: Liverpool managed to sign Suarez outside of the Champions League because we were able to (mis)sell to him the notion that this was a blip and that we'd return to the top four immediately. Spurs have clearly done that too this summer. So, if United slip out of the top four you are still going to be attractive in the short term. What seemingly held you back last August was a lack of foresight and planning. I doubt that'd happen two years running.
What might be of an issue to you, and to the Glazers, is that the glory support have seemingly already given up on Moyes, as shown by the whinging in the mailbox but more prominently by the vast number of empty seats in your first Champions League game - we'll see what the attendance is like tonight. If that continues, and your core marketing base isn't as stable as the yanks believed, then the might sell up whilst the revenue streams are still there and any future buyer might be as hopeless and criminal as the muppets who bought and destroyed us only six years ago.
Putting Matt Right On Martinez
I'm not usually one to respond to this kind of thing, but I have a few issues to raise with your assessment of Roberto Martinez.
Apparently United have Martinez to thank for the discovery of Antonio Valencia. Is that the same Antonio Valencia who signed for Wigan (initially on loan) in 2006 under manager Paul Jewell and signed a permanent deal in 2008 under manager Steve Bruce. At the time of his loan signing, Roberto Martinez was playing (not managing, PLAYING) for Chester City.
Secondly, Roberto Martinez did very well to win the FA Cup last season with Wigan, but let's not forget that he was also relegated. David Moyes, with the 10th highest wage budget in the league, guided Everton to a sixth-place finish, while Martinez, with the 17t- placed wage budget, took Wigan to an 18th-placed finish. I'd certainly suggest that Moyes (with his 15 years of management experience) would look a better bet for the third-highest wage spenders in the league than Martinez (with his six years' management experience).
Finally, your assessment of transfer activity. Moyes signed Fellaini, who as we all know, played under him at Everton. United had long been in need of a player like Fellaini to play in the middle alongside Carrick, and Moyes addressed this need. It may not be a spectacular signing, but it is certainly one that adds to the squad. Martinez has signed six players for Everton. Three of those played under him at Wigan. It hardly seems fair to criticise Moyes for going back to his old club for signings while singing the praises of a manager who has done exactly the same thing. For what it's worth, the other three Martinez signings this summer were ALL loan signings. Good ones, yes, but loan signings nonetheless. Everton are in a position where there is a far wider pool of players that are A) available to them, and B) good enough to enhance their squad. Plenty of teams (Barcelona and Chelsea for example) have players on their books that they would like to gain experience playing consistent games at a quality club. These players are great (and cheap) loan signings for a club like Everton, but are hardly suitable (or available) for a team like Manchester United, or I suspect that they would be playing week in, week out for their parent club.
To sum up. Martinez would not have been a better choice for United manager. Not even close.
Steve (Moyes needs time, I'd be satisfied with a top 4 finish this season) Hancock, Manchester United
Or The Short Version...
Antonio Valencia signed for Wigan in 2006.
Antonio Valencia left Wigan in August 2009.
Roberto Martinez joined Wigan in June 2009.
Roberto Martinez has thus never managed Antonio Valencia in a competitive game, let along having signed him.
Zubair Umar (Stupidity irritates me)
Jack Should Not Be The Exception
Really interesting stuff from Mr Tweedale on Jack Wilshere.
I have to say I'm a little perplexed as to why he won't be turning out for us tonight.
Wilshere seems to be afforded special protection with people forever making allowances for him that the likes of Ramsey can only hope to enjoy.
The fact is Wenger's job is to pick the team on form and personally I think Arteta is ahead of Jack in the pecking order as first reserve in our midfield.
It's up to Jack to knuckle down in the way Ramsey has and prove he's worthy of a place in the team because quite frankly on his performance thus far this season he's a name Wenger seems desperate to include in his team sheet but can find scant reason to justify it.
The league cup is an opportunity for the club to blood youngsters and rest first teamers. Given Wilshere shouldn't be in the first team on merit at the moment tonight's match is an opportunity to prove he should be.
The new signings of Ozil and Flamini have done nothing to warrant dropping while Ramsey is our top scorer this term. If you want to be in the team Jack it's time you proved you're worthy of that number 10 you're wearing.
For the record I think Jack will come good in the way Ramsey has so far this season. The quality was always there in Aaron as it's there in Jack but the likes of Ramsey, Gibbs, Walcott and Chambo have all endured periods where they didn't enjoy the manager's favour due to poor performances - I fail to see what makes Jack the exception to the rule.
Graham Simons, Gooner, Norf London
Lessons In Love/Football Management
I don't want to repeat Einstein's definition of madness, but I would say that learning from one's mistakes is vastly preferable to repeating them ad nauseam. For example, I have a friend who has had three or four relationships with married men. They all follow the same tedious pattern: excitement and optimism at the start followed by multiple disappointments and finally, a dramatic and miserable parting of the ways.
Sunderland, take heed. You have just sacked a relatively inexperienced manager from the lower leagues, something of a maverick with a fiery Latin temperament and a leaning towards the dramatic. Why on earth would you be even considering replacing him with another relatively inexperienced manager from the lower leagues, something of a maverick with a fiery Latin temperament and a leaning towards the dramatic?
They never, ever leave their wives, ever.
Carolyn, (Ozil-iciously happy) South London Gooner
Ah, Football365, I suspect this may never stop...
My unquestioned commentary heartsinker has just been emphasised by last night's Chelsea vs Swindon game. It's financial comparisons, as if it's some sort of shock some football teams have more money than others. You know the drill - "Willian cost 35 million pounds, (commentator clucks tongue) while Swindon was assembled for bobbins and buttons and their entire wage bill is 1/2 of Frank Lampards..."
It's just so annoying, and don't get me started on any kind of magic of the cup "he's got a real job and everything!" patronising Grandstand tales of yore...
Amanda 'I thought Archie Gemmill's goal was good, is it not?' White
...I hate any time John Terry stays down injured because it's always unavoidably followed by this crap...
'Oh dear, when he goes down you know it must be serious'
Henry (makes me want to kill myself)
...First place by a mile: Andy Townsend (amazing how many times Andy has appeared, each time with a slightly different spelling of his surname), whenever an English team or overwhelming underdog hasn't being preforming well but has managed a shot at goal, string a pass or two together or could be arsed making a tackle, always always sharts out: "Thats betta."
Runner up: "Captains goal"
Third place: Commentators not understanding the rules of the game that their commentating on especially regarding handball, the keepers use of his hands, and offside.
Fourth place: Everything 'Lawro' says and writes/has ghost written
Fergal (give us a red button option for crowd noise and muted commentary), Dublin
...Whenever it looks like away goals may become a factor in deciding a European tie, and the commentator goes "well, we'll have to get the mathematicians involved on this one" or "if you're sitting at home you may need to get your calculator out" and proceed to explain the away goals rule as if the viewers are children in primary school.
It's actually very, very simple the away goals rule. Plus the vast, vast majority of people watching a football game have seen the away goals scenario played out several times before. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't understand it.
Danny (also, pretty much anything Clive Tydlesly or Jonathan Pearce say), London
P.S. Re. Rob Davies point about commentators saying wierd things that make you think 'did he say that?'. It's a cricket rather than a football example but I remember one of Shane Warne's first series on Sky Sports commentary. I think it was MS Dhoni getting agitated about negative bowling, and Warne went "you can see he just wants to come down the pitch and twat it". I was in shock and there was a pending silence during which Shane was probably given a polite chat. I don't know whether it was a slip of the tongue or if that is acceptable in Australia, but it was bloody funny!
...One piece of commentary that is still being wheeled out even in this day and age and never fails to amuse/depress me is when the commentator questions whether the player in question "could do this on a wet and windy Tuesday in stoke/Hull/Sunderland" (any northern town really!)
It is reserved solely for small, attac- minded, foreign players because we all know that being English and a defender makes you impervious to cold weather.
It also raises so many questions...why always a Tuesday night? Does it not rain in Brazil (I'm sure they have rain forests!), Is it not cold in Italy? (I've been ski-ing there...it was bloody freezing!)
...Two teams playing in a cup competition. Something happens:
A goal goes in...
A man gets sent off...
Someone put in a big tackle and the crowd roars...
The commentator announces: "We have ourselves a cup-tie!"
Would it have counted as a league fixture before this happened? Are there criteria for cup ties that go beyond them being part of a cup competition?
Drives me mad!
...My heart sinks when a slightly large fella pops in a potentially meaningful goal in a rather important match. Cue Tyldsley; "It's a massive goal for a massive man in a massive match." I hate him and his desperately rehearsed attempts to be the next Kenneth Wolstenholme.
Meanwhile the ligature that gets pulled round John Motson's and Jonathan Pearce's throats when someone has a scoring opportunity is not being pulled tight enough imho.
Mort Snort, Saints
...Match Of The Day. player scores tap in from three yards. Cue, Hansen/Shearer/Lawrenson/Fowler (he even did it on Saturday night)/Ant/Dec/Jim Belushi/Mick McCarthy/whoever, saying, "SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE YOUR RANGE THERE GARY!!!!!!".
Cue, Gary Lineker grinning like someone put a ready salted crisp in his nickers without telling him.
He used to score inside the box a lot, you see...
Top golf club BANTZLULZs, I think you'll agree.
Kevin Walsh, Luimneach
...The worst piece of repeated commentary has to be Andy Townshend when a striker shoots right at the keeper..."He almost hit it too well Clive."
The one that makes me want to throw the nearest anything at the TV is Andy Townsend's continual use of the phrase 'in and around', as in "he really needs to get in-and-around the 'sennerarf'", or "they need to defend better by getting in-and-around the midfield".
Roger (Super Spurs) P
Had a dream last night that Sandro saved a kid's life by beating up a shark. It was so vivid that the first thing I did when I woke up was check your website.
Rum on a school night was a bad idea.
HbY, Sawbo, THFC (I think it was a Bull Shark although Sandro would probably draw with a Great White)