One Mailboxer may have spent lunch in the pub in suggesting Van Persie could go back to Arsenal. Also, some Premier League meh-ing and a fine Acewatch suggestion...
Even the lesser teams have players like Luis Suarez and Romelu Lukaku so it's all bloody good fun. But mostly the mailbox features United fans being told to grow up...
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Moyes Is Hodgson Mk II
...Utd fans, while I am not saying our clubs were in a similar position at the time, lets review the following....
- Popular manager leaves the club
- British manager in charge of a smaller side, loved by the press because they aren't a foreigner and deserve a bigger job, is given the role
- Fans aren't happy, but vow to give them a chance
- Signings are disappointing to say the least
- Said manager comes out with comments to the press that make you slap your forehead and wonder what they have been drinking / smoking
- Quality of football is dire
- 1980's 442 formation is rigidly stuck too
- Results are disappointing to say the least
- Said manager spends most of the game on the sidelines looking utterly lost / bemused
Now all of the above can cover off Moyes & UTD / Liverpool & Roy and given the amount of abuse Liverpool fans were given for wanting Roy out after only a handful of games, it is so pleasing to see UTD in a similar position, lets see how their wonderful fans handle things.
Mark James (If Moyes starts mumbling about historic wins after you scrape a 1-0 at home to Hull its time to panic) LFC
Finding More Sticks With Which To Beat Moyes
I'm going to start out saying that I'm not going to mention Man Utd's league form, or defeats. In fact, losing doesn't bother me so much as the manner of the defeats, looking particularly schoolboyish against City the other week. What bothers me is Moyes' attitude. I appreciate that he did great work at Everton on a shoestring budget, and that given enough time, he could potentially be good for the team. Unfortunately, he's now moved to a bigger club, where due to the influence of the last manager he has a lot more freedom than other managers in the league performance wise, where money is no object to build the team he wants, where he has the freedom to be as creative as he wants and play the expressive football he wants, but none of that seems to matter.
Manchester United's transfer dealings could have been done better by a 15 year old whose only experience was Football Manager - allowing Fellaini's buyout clause to expire causing him to be an unnecessary £4m more is ridiculous, especially when we deemed Herrera was about that much too expensive. But, what really, really annoys me is after 3 months of sitting on his thumbs, when the transfer window was open, he's now said that the squad isn't good enough to win the CL, when the transfer window is closed. If he feels the squad isn't good enough... well the transfer window was wide f***ing open all summer. A lot of people have said Moyes is not to blame for this and that the new chairman Edwards should have dealt with the transfers - this is a load of crap. Moyes is a professional and must share some of the blame. If he thought his chairman wasn't doing his job, he should have badgered him until he did. And this has nothing to do with the results.
My other bugbear with Moyes, hinted at above is his conservative style. He's come in, and so far his selection (barring the West Brom game) has been exactly what we'd expect from Ferguson. He insists on picking terminally mediocre players (here's looking at you Young and Valencia). Nani has always been a player that needs confidence - give him a run and he'll dazzle. We bought Zaha because he is a potentially huge talent who's willing to try things, give him a bloody chance to do things then! A Nani/Zaha combination on the wings can hardly be worse than No-left-foot-one Valencia and Same-problem Young. If needs be, play Carrick and Felleini together, but play Kagawa just in front with Rooney leading the line if RvP is injured. Felleini was not brought in to be the creative influence we need in midfield, but to be the anchor we need there for creative players, so play them and let them create!
When Moyes was appointed, I said that I wouldn't mind not winning anything, so long as we were competing towards the end of the season and I stand by that. But for that to happen, we're going to need to improve fast, and I can't see that happening when Moyes has shown himself to be such a conservative manager.
...I cant believe that United fans questioning the chosen one, are being ridiculed by others as being insane? Seriously does anyone think that a tough start to the season includes WBA who haven't won at Old Trafford since 1978? that pre-dates SAF, Yes upsets do happen but not after you've just been walloped by your nearest rival. So for all those who think the naughty boy needs more time to be the messiah lets just look at a few things.
- Fergie took over a time that was getting on for 30 years without winning the league and had just let a 12 point lead slip the previous season and had an absymal start to the next season, not a team that had just won the league by 11 points.
- Moyes has never won anything (no the championship does not count if the big boys dont play its not a trophy you can boast about, well done PNE for getting promotion but its not a trophy) Fergie had the european cup winners cup with Aberdeen as his highest honor.
- Moyes identified weakness in the time then spent the whole summer talking about the players that he could not get, and that he might not attract any, alienating the players in those positions without replacing them and failing to use the alure of playing for one of the most famous clubs in the world to get a 'world class' player.
- Moyes continues to look for a first 11 at United, Big clubs need to rotate, particular with older players, Rio for example is being asked to play twice weekly when everyone knows he has problems with this. (OK he dropped him last week against Liverpool, which we won, why then restore him with no doubt a view to playing him this Wednesday in the CL?)
- Moyes is unable to adjust the team to the current problem, (4231 with Hernadez worked midweek against Liverpool, so play exactly the same against WBA, However wingers against mid and lower table teams has a proven history at United), he tries the same thing repeatedly and then changes when it doesn't work not changing before it fails. You adjust the team to take advantage of the weaknesses of the opposition and strengthen where you are weak (Three in the middle against top six to stop us being over run there)
- Moyes has sacked the backroom staff that has served the club so well to bring in 'his own' team that once again won nothing at Everton.
- Moyes has publicly criticised the squad saying it lacks world class players, a DiCanio-esque performance, not instead taking the blame himself (even if he did not believe it).
- And just to re-iterate, he has 7 points from 6 matches, a sixth of the way through the season and almost relegation form, continue like this and its Championship next season not Champions League.
I will give you a prediction, very soon we will start hearing the chant 'David Moyes is a blue as hes F***** up United', and they will be right. He engages his gob before his brain, I don't care how he celebrates (or not mister JN) but whether he brings the results in the style needed. Rene is available, bring him back as manager, along with the rest of the old backroom staff, as Moyes just isn't good enough, not the squad.
Michael (#MoyesDontLetTheDoorHitYourA****) Piggott
Problems Started With Fergie
While F365 has focused mostly on Moyes, and United fans who were against his appointment seem to be coming out in numbers now, has anyone considered the role of Sir Alex Ferguson in this mess?
United teams were never technically brilliant, and for decades have relied on football completely based on crossing. Even at a time when Fergie had amazing players to play up front - Ronaldo, Rooney,Tevez - they were still not a great technical side. A great attacking side? Yes. An organised, disciplined defensive side? Yes. A great technical side? No.
What made Fergie this unstoppable winning machine was his ability to motivate, send out his team like a swarm of hungry locusts. He was unparalleled, and that showed on the pitch. His teams, while not great footballing sides, would grab every tiny snippet of opportunity that fell to them - a deflection, confusion in the box from a cross, a dodgy decision from a shit-scared referee, or just brilliant skill/finishing from one of the players. That explained why his team won most games in which they were dominated (and there were many such games). It was 90 minutes of intensity from 11 ravenous players. That was their mantra.
When Fergie left, he knew what his strengths were. But he left a man in charge who, apart from his obvious lack of big game experience, neither has the same superhuman ability to motivate a technically average side into winning games, nor the required technical ability.
Perhaps Fergie could have had a Klopp (or even Martinez, or Laudrup??) to come in, who, though without the same ability, at least has the technical ability - he would have sorted out the midfield and brought in the right players. Moyes can claim that the Fabregases of the world were not willing to join them, but Wenger has built great technical teams out of nothing, and Klopp, Laudrup have done the same. Surely Moyes could have found some cheaper players who had the technical ability?
In conclusion, while I do believe that United will finish comfortably in top 4, it is certainly a drop by their standards. And United fans should also perhaps accept Fergie's failure in naming the right kind of successor.
Arsenal Confession Time
I would like to say that I was one of the vociferous ones saying that Wenger should leave, and that our team wasn't good enough, but on current form I have been proved wrong. I still think we are too weak to win the league, but the team is playing great so I put my hand up and admit I was a tosser and a reactionary douche bag.
Also, I loved the Prince reference in the Winners and Losers regarding being 'cool as the other side of the pillow'. Excellent, it is why I read the site.
John (anyone laughing at Chelsea and City are basically laughing at a great white shark whilst still in the water) Matrix
Surely After A Bite?
Am I allowed to be unimpressed?
I have a few complaints on the Arsenal team thought I'd tell the world. I feel I'm alone in suggesting Giroud isn't of top quality. A good player, but not a good striker. Often he runs in every direction except toward the goal. He makes it difficult for the midfield or for the players who are interested in the through-ball, like Ozil. It's why he only had one shot on the weekend (yes 1, in 90 minutes). He's costing us goals believe it or not, yes he assisted a goal but I'd rather Bendtner lead the attack than he, because at least he wants to score and will provide some sort of outlet for the all that creativity behind him, if that's a thing.
Another is Ozil, he's a bit lazy, I don't really mind him not dropping back but he needs to show a little energy, whenever he was dispossessed on Saturday he made little effort to regain possession.
Arteta should be a back up to Flamini. Flamini was excellent on Saturday. In my opinion, Arteta has no place in the starting line up any more. He contributes nothing which Ramsey or Wilshere couldn't and in defensive mid, nothing which Flamini can't. He's like Giroud, they are both not good enough.
We're having a good run of form but there are problems in the team which I feel a lot of fellow fans are oblivious to. Just because we're on top of the league doesn't mean we can't be unimpressed.
Controversial opinion - I feel Agbonglahor would be a good addition to this current Arsenal team, as a striker. He has decent pace makes runs on goal, he's got a decent shot on him, he's like Walcott 2.0.
Flamini is the signing of the summer so far, no doubt for me. Can play across various positions too, when our whole squad is back fit. Masterstroke from Wenger (who himself I think deserves an apology from Piers Morgan and co.)
Last time Arsenal looked this decent, well... Last time Arsenal looked this decent we had Flamini in the team!
Yusuf Bulama, Nigerian Gooner
A Rejected Plan
Pete Spitithisis, Sweden, is obviously unaware that all prem players get a new shirt at half time. Suarez even changed the one with a message to his new kid in the last game. But he did score in the second half!
Rob (will be wearing the same shirt after lunch)
Mad Respect For Degsy
United in 12th and Degsy having a blinder on the punts.
Strange times we live in.
At Least No Member Was Hurt
I'm not the only one that felt the need to Google some concrete bollards just to see how penis like they looked? Am I?
Bri Belfast Gooner (never googled the mutilated ones)