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Funnily Enough, Had A Few Of These...
Disgusting, Dishonest, Cheating, Unfair, Deceitful, Low-down, Cowardly, Ignorant, Offensive, Enraging.

A****y Y***g
Kieran (at least the penalty wasn't scored) O'Hare, Dublin

...And Pithier Anger
Ashley Young is a cheating, diving, git.
Tim Royall

United Conclusions
- This is one of the rare times when an away point in the champions league is actually disappointing

- Utd lacked urgency against poor opposition but had Hernandez scored (as it seemed easier to do) and RVP hit the net and not the post twice i'm sure this result would have been described as a professional away performance - fine margins.

- I actually thought Fellaini played well last night, broke up play well, made a few interceptions and for the majority was tidy in possession. I actually feel he was let down more by his CM partner Giggs who looked a shadow of the player that Sociedad faced at Old Trafford.

- Injuries had clearly affected the make-up of the team particularly at right back where it is clear that Valencia should play if Rafael is injured. It seemed to be deliberate that Valencia played inside more to allow space for the RB to play down the wing, but when it is Smalling it just isn't as effective

- One eye did seem to be on the Arsenal game with both Rooney and RVP not playing the full 90mins

- Kagawa was effective when played centrally but only for about ten minutes until Sociedad filed the hole with a defensive midfielder.

- Young actually setup Hernandez' miss and 'won' the penalty. Not actually a bad contribution but then he just went back to being poor.

- I seem to be one of the few who think it was a penalty. Yes he made the most of it undoubtedly but he was still tugged back. I can't find anywhere in the rule book where it says exactly how a player should react to a foul. The referee wasn't ten, fifteen or twenty yards away he was about two and felt it was a foul. I also don't remember the Sociedad players crowding around Young angry at his 'dive'.

- If a European team offered twenty million tomorrow i would happily sell Hernandez. He is simply not good enough outside of the box and especially if he is going to retweet veil threats about moving on if he doesn't play more. Maybe if Utd were more fluid and creative he wouldn't need to be better outside the box but that is not the case

- Sunday will hopefully see the return of Carrick, Rafael and probably Januzaj with RVP up top with Rooney. If RVP and Rooney weren't both playing well i would play a three man CM to combat Arsenal but i can't see that happening. Looking forward to it

Agreeing With Winty On United
Winty's article pretty much sums up my slow burning rage at United's performance but there are a couple of points I would like to add to it. Infuriating was the word she used and I'd like to add impotent to it. United's attacking display season can be described as being similar to a dog's behaviour after being neutered. There is no urgency or desire to bomb forward and win; instead you have an octogenarian who's happy to pass the ball to his wings who in turn take three paces forward and four backwards before passing it back to the centre backs. Even against supposedly easier teams like Fulham, United have had to endure fifteen minutes of customary panic now in the second half which ends up with the opponents scoring.

Sociedad were there for the taking. And not just that - a win last night would have gone a long way in giving some more confidence to the team ahead of the showdown at Old Trafford on Sunday. The first half was about containment despite Sociedad being in awe. The second was better in terms of chances created but not enough to score. I don't mind the penalty miss (Young's dive was horrible and I'm sorry but Moyes cannot justify it) and the ball did bobble before Chicharito shinned it. But it was interesting to note that most of the chances came through Kagawa who spent the last fifteen minutes playing behind Van Persie. His link up with Rooney was encouraging and he needs to play more often so that he can play himself into form.

There is no cohesion right now in the squad and it is not helped by the constant team rotation. Fellaini has been average to be kind to him, while Valencia is in limbo. I will leave Chris MUFC to talk about the wonders that is Young. After the game at Fulham, I thought it was clear that Rooney, RVP , Januzaj and one more attacking player would be your best team. I think Moyes needs to stick with this and play them week in and week out. Regardless of who they play - till United can start winning on a regular basis - this team should be played every week (barring injuries).

The only positive United can take is a clean sheet after donkey's years. Ironically, it came with two ageing defenders at the back.

A More Positive United Fan
As regards Sarah's piece on the United game last night I agree that there appeared to be no urgency; we simply didn't move the ball quick enough. Furthermore, the crossing was woeful particularly from the right. That is where Rafael is missed as he can actually cross a ball. But then you could argue that Smalling doesn't really suit playing at RB.

I didn't have an issue with Moyes's first two subs - Hernandez had to be removed as the service from wide wasn't good enough and it got RVP on the pitch. Rooney for Kagawa gives Rooney a rest and allows Kagawa to play in his favoured role - where he looked bright. Obviously I groaned like a fat kid who has eaten too many sweets when Young was brought on (never a penalty for me - justice done).

However, after their only player with real quality (Griezmann) was removed around the 80 minute mark I wanted to see Smalling taken off for Nani and Valencia pushed to RB, at least then we might have seen some quality from the overlapping player. But then it is easier to make that decision when you are lying on the sofa hundreds of miles away.

Regardless, it could/should have ended 3-0 and people need to recognise that Moyes is just finding his feet in Europe. He has only managed four games in the group stages, will be learning every game and has not done too badly thus far. In fact he is unbeaten and we are still top of our group - anyone know a reasonably priced hotel in Lisbon?
Garey Vance, MUFC

Giggs Needs A One-Way Ticket To The Vets
A few weeks ago we had to unfortunately put my dad's old dog to sleep. He was 13 to be fair to him and with his breed had a life expectancy of 9-10 so had done well to last that long. We had looked at replacements in the last few years, there was this young dog down in the pound, a little over weight but always looked energetic for five minutes or so before lying down and snacking on something, there was another who for some reason when any other dog went near him he just fell over.

So we could never quite find the replacement and being realistic maybe we never will but he he had gone on too long and we had no choice, no one wanted to see him getting too old and not being able for it anymore as that was no way to remember him and his legs had completely gone so we took the right decision.

If you're wondering what relevance this has to football, replace our dog (which is a true story) with Ryan Giggs and I'm sure you can figure out who the other two muts relate too!
Gareth MUFC Ireland

Possibly In The Top One
Watching Pogba on the champions league highlights show infuriates me. Ferguson is a genius but Pogba was one of his top five mistakes.

'It is NOT the role of football to try and fix societies ills, it is the role of society itself'

What is this nebulous 'society' which exists in a separate sphere to organised sport? Football is a part of society, and for some plays a role in shaping their views on issues like race, homosexuality, what is permissible behaviour, etc. As such, any improvements made in areas like racist abuse in football stadiums must come from initiatives like fines, stadium closures, law changes etc. These changes don't just happen magically because 'society'. People are only 'stupid morons' if they are permitted to be.

Not sure exactly who the liberal thought police are - people with a liberal opinion? Please look at real 'modern day fascists' such as the EDL, or even Golden Dawn, before drawing nonsensical comparisons - it is because of groups like this that progressive policies on race and punishments for racist behaviour are absolutely essential.

Also, if you use an offensive term like 'retarded' and then say 'no offense' you have still caused offense. Why not just avoid the offensive term in the first place? Kn*bhead (no offense).

Mexico's Odd Squad
I see that Mexico manager Miguel Herrera has left out several of his star players and named an entirely home grown squad ahead of this month's crucial World Cup playoff against New Zealand, as he is worried that they will suffer from 'travel Fatigue'.

There must be one hell of a Mexican presence in the New Zealand leagues so that they won't suffer from the same in the second leg.
Ric (I'm Looking forward to the Les Reed book) Duncombe, Kampala, Uganda

The New Michu
Saido Berahino is this years Michu/2 million quid story. It makes me want to vomit. Give him a new contract already WBA!
Mark Dannell

Don't Look Down
Until now I have rarely read the comments sections of your fine articles. However, when the bus refuses to turn up and I can't be arsed to walk, I find myself reading just about anything. This morning was one of those mornings, so I read the comments section of 'Where was the urgency, United' article.

May I just say, tremendous. Not sure if you can do this, but I urge you to print the whole comment from 'Moogies (Manchester United)' in the mailbox, it's one of the best reads I've had in a while.

A few snippets if you will...

"Dear Sarah, Apparently you are the editor of this fantastic 'football' website I'm not sure if you are a football fan, a sports writer, or a former footballer, nevertheless I believe this piece and it's bias to be utterly pathetic.

"...I get irritated when this SKY induced website pummels a team that before now had gained maximum points in the Champions League only to be held to a draw in Spain by a team that are surely superior to Basel and Plzen?"

"...with ten points and two games left I think the job is basically complete so really this article is completely insignificant."

"To conclude I'm positive you're a fine journalist, a great football fan, and congrats on being editor, but sometimes your opinions make little sense in the grand scheme and can be infuriating."

I'm sure you will agree, its reactions like this that make United's current woes even more enjoyable to the rest of us!

Keep it up.
Andy B, RFC (needless to say I will now spend far more time browsing the comments sections)

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