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What One Man Learned From The Keane/Vieira Doc
Patrick Vieira has a great Bond villain laugh.
Simon P (Dublin)

Not Happy With Royston
Great to see Roy Keane selling his ass again in the drivel that was ITV's "Keane and Vieira - Best of Enemies". One wonders how many millions these people need.
Eoin, Limerick.

...It's been said before and will no doubt be said again, but Roy keane is an absolute bitter plum of a man. I'm assuming everyone has seen his all time United XI from when he was a player? Paul Parker over Red Nev? Give over Roy you tit. No Giggsy or Scholes because they didn't stand up to Fergie? Who cares. They still piss all over Beckham and Ince. Can't argue with Big Pete in goal, Stam, Ronaldo and Irwin but Pally over Rio? Not having that either and I love Pally.

King Eric doesn't need a mention, but I think we could debate Ruud van Nistelrooy.

Every time I hear Keane now he just ruins his reputation more and more. The guy is a monumental bellend. His hatred of Ferguson is such that when he offers up an opinion on the team, I always take it with an extra dose of salt because somewhere underneath will be a snide little agenda against his former manager (who wasn't as good as Clough by the way).

He can sometimes speak the truth and I feel his comments on the Coolmore Mafia have a touch of reality to them, also his discussions on what is currently wrong with the squad, however, he doesn't seem to offer anything in the way of alternatives and just uses any performance for a chance to slate.

Keane was an amazing player for us and will always be fondly remembered for many unbelievable games, but now he just comes across as angry as Walter White is at how things went down with Grey-Matter and is beginning to lose sight of other, more important things in life.

To summarise: Do one Roy. Thanks for the games but please just f*ck off now. The taste in your mouth must be like sour milk.
Barry Vernon

I think that it's safe to suggest that since Gary Neville has been publicly appointed as the thinking man's pundit, his ego has been massaged to a huge degree. Some might say that someone needed to knock him down a peg or two.

By God, Roy Keane did that last night. Ouch.
Luke, Dublin

On Keane & Vieira
I'm sure you'll have loads of these, I don't bother writing in any more since my team were relegated to the Championship and went completely to pot, however last night's programme has forced me to.

What an absolutely fantastic piece of television from ITV. They get a fair bit of stick for their live football coverage but last night they showed an original, interesting and well put together show that was thorougly enjoyable.

Keane fascinates me. What a bizarre and intense individual. It's clear that he's still extremely bitter about how his time at United ended, exemplified by his choice of Clough as the best manager he's played for. Vieira compliments Keane perfectly with his friendly demeanour and likeable personality, it really makes you yearn for a return to days like this in the Premier League.

Let's face it, nothing comes close to that rivalry any more. Whilst drama is manufactured to the hilt by Sky Sports every week the two teams featured last night generated the atmosphere themselves. Re-watching the 'Battle of Old Trafford' made me realise that we miss characters like this today. I can't think of a single rivalry that even comes close today.

So thanks to ITV for a cracking bit of tv that brought back some great memories. More of this please.

Best Regards,
Tom, (do people still put things in brackets?) Tamworth.

Bestest League Ever
If the team coming ninth in the premier league just won their champions league group does that mean we can now claim the premier league is the best league in the world?
Tom, Tractor boy in Switzerland

Theories On Why United Are Good In Europe, Not At Home
The reason United are so good in Europe is along the lines of why Mike Tyson was so good in the 1980s.

In his early days Tyson was arguably the most destructive boxer of all time, stepping into the ring and knocking everyone out. Consequently some men were beaten before they even got in the ring - think James Bonecrusher Smith.

The same is true of United. In the early 1990s everyone in Europe could beat United but then they won the big one in 1999 and since they have commanded far more respect.

In England no-one respects United anymore - even lower league teams fancy their chances. The message to the rest of Europe is - learn the lessons of United's compatriots and come and have a go if you think you're hard enough - you'll probably win.
Graham Simons, Gooner, Norf London

...Could the reason David Moyes' Utd are performing better in the Champions League than domestically be that the "Fergie effect" is lessened?

What I mean by this is that domestically, opposition players, managers, officials - feared Ferguson. This in turn gave rise to innumerable incidents of teams bottling it. In Europe however, the impact of the man was less - which could go part way to explaining the teams relative under-performance in Europe vs. domestically. What we are now witnessing in the post-Ferguson era is a significant drop in league form without the impact of him in charge. Meanwhile in Europe, the impact was relatively minor when set against the impact domestically - therefore the team are performing pretty much as expected.

If this theory is correct, the situation should be even more troubling for Utd fans as it indicates that it is not a pure tactical issue for Moyes.
Tom R. London

Time For Rio?
A few seasons ago Gary Neville started a match against WBA around this time of the year i think. Neville got tortured that day and admitted himself was lucky not to concede a penalty and be sent off for a challenge that denied a goal scoring opportunity. Neville was subbed and Utd went on to win the game. Red Nev knew straight away he was no longer good enough, told Fergie that he was retiring and did so with immediate effect.

If only such a revelation would dawn upon Rio Ferdinand. I winced watching him play last night. As his pace dwindles he always could rely on his ability on the ball but last night even that seemed to leave him. His leadership, experience and defensive organisational skills are undeniable but ultimately a defender must do the actual nitty gritty physical act of defending and all too often now the attacker always comes out on top.

Rio was an amazing centre back both for England and Utd and i would like to remember him that way. So maybe now is the time Rio to do a Gaz Nev
Kevo2424 (his last minute headed winner at OT against Liverpool was just beautiful)

Football Is Great
Commentary highlight shortly after James Milner's goal against Bayern...

Martin Tyler - Football: don't you love it?
Niall Quinn - Ahh it's great!

You heard it first on Sky!
Angus LFC Reading
PS Does anyone actually like this Bayern Munich team? Every member of the squad seems like a monumental douche!

Big Fan
Chris (loved the club for 40 years but don't claim to be better than anyone else) Chartertis mail about "I'm a better fan than you because.." statements got me to thinking of a uncomfortable incident in a bar in Dublin a few years ago.

I was walking down the street when I noticed a Liverpool match on in a pub. I propped myself at the bar, in front of the TV, and ordered a pint. I heard a scoff from the other end of the pub. Wearing a very yellow Liverpool jersey, a very large man across the bar said "I'm such a big Liverpool fan, I drink Carlberg."

That put me in my place.
Danny (I ordered a Guinness) Sydney

Where Does 'Gooners' Come From?
Could anyone give me an explanation as to why Arsenal fans call themselves Gooners? My great grandad was an Arsenal fan and he always referred to the team as the Gunners, and this made sense being as the team is called Arsenal. I always thought that Gooners was a derogatory term for Arsenal fans, deriving from the word goon... Is this not the case? Is it a reference to the French connection, Gunners with a sort of French accent? I can't remember the last time I saw an Arsenal fan call themselves Gunners.
Matt Beards

More People Are Interested In United Than City. Hope That Helps
I've been noticing, with a mixture of interest and sadness, how much attention Man United and Moyes have been getting on F365. Pretty much every headline and every front-page picture for the last few days has been Moyes or United. After every match, there are a couple of editorials on where and how exactly Moyes is going wrong and is out of his depth.

But what I couldn't help noticing is that Man City beat the current European Champions (and likely to be this year's World Champions) on home-soil after being 2-0 down, and with a slightly weakened (if that is possible, considering their squad) first team. And yes, the picture is Moyes, the front page story is United. Why? I mean, both the games were dead-rubber anyway.

Mandatory third paragraph -- Thank you to Sarah Winterburn for a positive article about United. We are currently snatching at straws to look at things on the positive side, so every little bit of positivity helps.

PS: Please don't publish my name, I'm supposed to be at work, thanks

Well This Man Is Angry
The reporting on Manchester United by 365 has now reached the stage of becoming utterly pathetic. Every day, headline after headline, is another non-story relating to United, with a tabloid-like attack on either the club or the manager, or whoever. It's almost getting creepy, like it's gone past the point of fun and gest to warped obsession. Did Matthew Stanger grow up in an orphanage? Was he Moyes secret love child, abandoned at birth and left to rot? Dearie me.

Because instead of headlining the gambling scandal, or Manchester City deposing of Munich, in Munich, you chose to completely marginalise these altogether more signficant stories, in favour of ranting and salivating over inane quotes given by whoever, in relation to United. And those are just recent examples. This has been going on since the summer. It's as if that clown Stanger has hijacked 365, and decided to use it as a vehicle for his own obsessive prejudices, pouring endless scorn and bile on a club/manager/whatever, that/whom he despises, to the detriment of all else. The website for me is more akin now the the very tabloid trash Mediawatch is dedicated to ridiculing. Sort it out chaps. It's embarrassing.
I Grant AFC

Superstition Means Bugger All
As a Liverpool fan I was reminded of a slight quirk after reading Chris (loved my club for 40 years but don't claim to be better than anyone else) Charteris's mail this morning. He's right about that date almost twenty-five years ago - 26th May 1989. I remember it far too clearly. Michael Thomas and all that. Liverpool lose 2-0 to Arsenal and a last minute winner ruins my final night in college. I took these things to heart back then and was distraught. Flash forward ten years to the day - 26th May 1999: Manchester United score a last minute winner to clinch the treble. My ABU tendencies came to the fore and I got drunk with a Liverpool supporting friend who had backed United purely because 'no matter what the result, I won't be upset. Why can't you just be happy for me when I've just won £200?'.

Naturally, I was dreading what the football gods would do to me on 26th May 2009 (I live in a solipsist universe), especially when United made the Champions' League final against Barcelona that year. Knowing my luck, a 10-0 victory for United and they'd be lauded as the team that destroyed the greatest team ever thus giving them the official Never to be Beaten Record of Best Performance in a Football Match (EVER). Luckily, the 26th was a Tuesday and on the 27th May and Barca won 2-0 and all was right with the world. If there's any point to this rambling it's that dates and superstition mean bugger all. Still worried about 26th May 2019 though.
Kieran, Plastic LFC fan

Samuel, Ashton, Seb
What do you call someone who takes one line from a long write up (or opinion/interview) out of context to write a piece of crap? Martin Samuel? Neil Ashton? Or our mailbox contributor Seb (the gooner). While I can understand Seb's man love for Bendtner and desperation in becoming his agent, he has completely ignored a big part of what I wrote yesterday in just describing the striker Chelsea need. One cant blame him much after witnessing years of strikers of the likes of Chamakh and Bendtner the great Dane.

Anyways, using my "genius" again, what Chelsea need is (a) A structured system and (b) A striker that fits in the system. The gist of my "tactical analysis" was that we currently have neither.
Aravind, CFC, Chennai (will the editor publish this???)

Gareth Allen...Wins
Did anyone think the picture of the Liverpool fan with those zany glasses on the main page for winners and losers this week was of Street Fighter 2 arch villain M Bison?

Just me then?
Carry on
Gareth "Moyes IN" Allen

Post-Football Careers
Don't know how many people spotted this one doing the rounds yesterday... But ex Southampton academy player, Danny Mountain...yes, that's his real name. Apparently went on to become a top Porn Star in America not too long ago, after a knee injury prematurely halted his career. His Wikipedia page claims he's even won quite a few awards for his unique talents.

Whilst the Saints youth are busy slaying various teams around the country these days (they slapped Pompey 7-0 last night btw). Danny Mountain has obviously been doing some slaying of his own.

After reading the other day about Thomas Gravesen and his staggering wealth, it got me wondering what other players have gone on to strange/illustrious careers post football? Anyone?
Craig, London via Southampton.

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