Are Gooners The New United Fans?

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Are Gooners The New United Fans?
I must admit to being more than a tad amused and confused at the bravado exhibited by various Gooners on your ever august site this morning. Bring 'em on! they cry. Really?

Let me remind you Arsenal fans that you are European minnows. The list of bigger clubs in Europe is pretty long and must surely make for embarassing reading. Take a moment to read the list of clubs that have won Ol' Big Ears and you'll understand; perhaps you'll even thank me. Even Stade Reims have appeared in twice the amount of finals than Arsenal... So why the Bertie Big Bollocks? A proud haul of one CWC and one Fair's Cup (that the big clubs couldn't even enter unless their home city had hosted a Trade Fair!) puts you on a par with Rangers FC in my opinion. Deride Scotchland and its football all you like but Celtic FC have won the big one...your mob haven't.

Maybe Wenger will get lucky and will finally the biggest blot on his copybook will be removed and Arsenal will finally join the big boys - I won't hold my breath mind. Until then, pipe down and know your place. Domestically successful but a joke in Europe. Blind/any confidence is one thing but dial down the arrogance, eh? The way you lot go on you'd think you've been stockpiling trophies these past 10 years!

Are Arsenal fans the new United fans? Just imagine what Arsenal fans will be like if they win something after all this time!? They'll be unbearable!
Gregory Whitehead, LFC

Trying To Understand
Let me just make sure I understand Clock End John right from this morning:

1) All that matters for Arsenal is that they qualified
2) What matters for United/Chelsea is that people think they maybe wouldn't have qualified in another group.

I know whose shoes I'd rather be in right now, Clock End. And it's not the team who's never won the thing.
Derby NYBlues

An Important Question
After yesterday, the question should no longer be whether a team can do it on a cold, wet Tuesday night at stoke but rather if a team can do it on a cold, rainy, snowy Wednesday afternoon in Istanbul?

And Another
After watching the excellent ITV documentary about Keane and Vieira, one question was left unexplored and has troubled me ever round is Patrick Vieira's head?
Darren (I heart Roy Keane) Hill

Young Part Of The Elite
"The referees are giving decisions and that is where I think it lies"

Excellent piece of work from Young. While he has been criticised for his performances from all quarters, he has come out firmly to prove he is an elite premier league player after all. By not taking responsibility for his actions and declaring the fault lies with others he has clearly shown he has the elite premier player mentality of deflecting his responsibilities as a role model. And to prove he is a one off, he hasn't chosen team mates, opposition, his manager, his cultural upbringing or a claim he is not that type of player to excuse his actions. Nor has he left it to others to provide an explanation of his actions. No, no, he has come out, openly and honestly, and blamed the refs. He. Is. Unique. A one-off. He is elite.

Put him on the plane to Brazil.
Michael, Dublin

Miserable Stewie
Dear lord, that Stewie Griffin's a miserable fecker, isn't he? In case he hasn't noticed his team are top of the league and into the last 16 in the main European competition. How many teams look enviously at achieving just one of those positions? And all this despite playing with apathy, tactical imbecility, a lumbering striker and without pace. Imagine how well they'd do if they got any of this sorted. They must have some sort of novice in charge, they need someone like Stewie instead, who can see the problems Wenger misses.

And what if the Arse do get humped by Atletico Munich, Madrid San Germain or Bayern Barcelona? They can concentrate on the league while watching their main opponents (and Man Utd) travel thousands of miles and play extra games to end up in the same position in a few weeks - getting their arses handed to them on a plate by a better team. They are unlikely to win it whoever they drew in the next round and surely any Arse fan would much rather win the league this year?
A McBoro

...Not very often do I read a post in the mailbox and immediately open my own email to send an angry reply. Stewie Griffin's brackets did it this morning.

Jenkinson vs. Messi; To compare the back-up right back (who I actually rate quite highly) against the best player in Barcelona's history is a bit spurious. You could put ANY defender in the world in that comparison and they're going to look weaker.

Gibbs vs. Ronaldo. In the last three years, there has been zero defenders who have been able to cope with him. Replace Gibbs (future England regular) name with ANY defender in the world and you have the same look.
I'd expect Flamini to pick up Gotze.

Your comparison method is so stupid, because it works the other way too. Pick Arsenal's best against a supposed weak link of the potential opposition.

Ozil vs. Ramos,
Carzola/Ramsey/Ozil/Walcott/Podolski vs. Mascherano!
Giroud vs. Dante (see last year for evidence)

It wasn't a 'debacle' last night. The 'statuesque' manager's substitutions worked pretty well against Everton. Your rating of the 'Catastrophic' transfer policy deserves a slap from someone else more eloquent than me. 'Near elimination', is that like Bayern Munich's near loss in the final last year?!

Picking the two best players in the world as comparison to a couple of Arsenal's weaker players is not a proof why Arsenal won't progress further in the competition, it is only proof that you are a conceited troll.
Jon, (my face is red, not from the cold) London

The worst thing about Hull City being renamed Hull Tigers is that they will no longer be the only British football team whose name contains none of the letters of the alphabet that can be coloured in (ie. a, b, d, e, g, o, p, q).

For this reason alone the idea should be scrapped.
Jonathan, Manchester

...If Assem Allam does change HULL CITY to HULL TIGERS you'll finally be able to colour in all the teams in the football league.

We can then give Stewie Griffin a big box of felt tips, sit him in a corner, and hope he'll occupy himself quietly instead of being the catastrophe of an Arsenal fan he continuously comes across as.

Silver linings and all that.
Chris ITFC, Liverpool

Miller's Spot On
While I was reading Ahmad's philanthropic offer of Chamakh and wondering if I should reply, I read Nick's article on non-scoring striker is least of our issues. It was spot on. The spread of goals is more important than non-scoring strikers. Non-scoring strikers is an issue if the dependence is on one striker. Once, if Drogba and Lampard were stopped we were finished. Not anymore. Our issue is not lack of goals.

Now before the next Gooner tries to offer Bendtner to me, I was earlier arguing why our strikers don't score (I'd like to see them score) which was an issue. Our issue is not lack of goals.

Replacing Big Neily Lennon
I have felt compelled to write in after watching Celtic fail to compete in the Champions League, whilst they barely break a sweat in the league. In my mind this Celtic squad is poorer than last years by quite some distance and on top of that I believe that next years will be worse!

This is because Neil Lennon is not the man to lead Celtic forward. This season was his opportunity to show progress in Europe and so far they have not hit the heady heights of previous seasons and the clubs dealing in the transfer market smack of a lack of ambition. When Rangers were pushed out of the league many Celtic fans revelled in the fact that their biggest rivals were having to start from scratch.

The sad fact is that Rangers in their pursuit to get back into the top league has seen them mix experienced Scottish players with players from their youth squad as well as a smattering of foreign imports. Celtic with the revenues generated by unchallenged access to Champions League money over the past couple of years and for the foreseeable future should be looking to balance their squad in the same way, rather than buying cheap players in the hope of generating big revenues from transfers in the future like they did with Wanyama, Hooper and Wilson.

It disappoints me that Celtic continue to conduct themselves as if they can feel Rangers breathing down their necks rather than as a team who have at least another 2 years to promote youth development and blood these youngsters in European matches, which will be of benefit only to them. Ok, I know that Celtic drew Barca, Milan and Ajax, but in seasons past Celtic have managed to give teams like this a bloody nose and fought valiantly when they have lost. Celtic fans who wanted a "Celtic Man" in charge got their wish when Lennon signed on, but his naivety coupled with the actions of the board is causing the club to stand still at a time when they should be tearing away from the rest and building a legacy to which they will reap the rewards for years to come.
Rishi, A Scottish football fan gradually losing interest

Your Point?
Re: Nicky and his report of Phil Jones being one of United's best midfielders. I know what the point he or she is trying to make, but it's a tad contrived isn't it? A young, promising player has improved with age (blimey!) and moved to a 'bigger' club (gadzooks!), where his talents are currently being employed elsewhere to his early career. Cook a cat! Former Southampton full-back Gareth Bale is one of Real Madrid's most potent attacking talents (and the world's most expensive player). Let that sink in.
Chris (I'm not having a great day), SAF Stand

...Hey Nicky!

Here's a few other ones:

Former Bordeaux midfield Zinedine Zidane became one of Real Madrid's better volleyers.
Former Southampton left-back Gareth Bale became one of Spur's better wingers.
Former childhood midget Leo Messi became one of Barca's better forwards.

Just to give the logic a fair test.
Toby Sprigings

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