This is not what Tottenham stand for. Mourinho has ruined Pochettino’s work. And Liverpool fans are conflicted.
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No way, Jose
“They play with this maddening, thoughtless inferiority which is hiding that promise and making them a far weaker side than they need to be.”
If the seeds of doubt were laid during the end of the Magic One’s era, Mourinho nurtured the inferiority complex to full bloom. He took a side low on confidence and told them (and everyone else) “we’re not very good, so let’s sit back on any team with decent skill, run fast when we get the ball, and hope for the best.”
For all of our history of failure, this is not supposed to be the Tottenham Way anymore. It’s Jose’s Way, and He is not one of us. Mourinho spits in the face of everything Mauricio Pochettino holds dear. Damnit, Levy… for five years, I thought you stood for something.
Danny, Austin Spurs
A cocky Liverpool fan
You know, it is funny. I remember once I turned off the lights in the kitchen and walked out. A few hours later, I returned and switched on the light and saw a few cockroaches scurry away towards the corners. It was interesting, that they were nowhere to be seen during the light, but the moment I turned the light on, they came crawling out of the holes, and disappeared right back when the light came back on.
Sorry, not sure where I was going with that, sorry for sharing that totally random story. Anyway, its very interesting to note that after having scurried away into their holes for months and months, the rival fans are feeling mighty chirpy having watched Liverpool finally appear mortal. They have finally appeared from their crevices and delighting in Liverpools loss to Athletico. I have full respect for Athletico. They remind me of this bird called a shoebill(check it out), a bird that is ugly but appears proud to be this way. Wow, I think that was maybe the only animal analogy I drew in this mail? Maybe. Anyway, I digress again, Athletico know exactly what they are, and did what they had to do.
I am however patiently looking forward to the 2nd leg at Anfield. Call me cocky, or whatever you want, but this Liverpool team has afforded me the position to be that way through their brilliance. I am looking forward to all the rivals who are currently celebrating out in the light, to crawl back into their holes when they realize how short sighted their celebrations were.
johnnyWicky, Toronto (I know you will 100% reply to my mail if Liverpool get knocked out, but show some b***s and reply if we go through as well)
A grateful Liverpool fan
This may sound odd if you are a fan of a dominant team like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, or Manchester City (domestically) during the past decade, but there’s something I miss about Liverpool seasons past. Part of me enjoys watching football more when the result is actually in doubt, or when the unexpected occurs.
It’s been immensely enjoyable as a supporter watching this amazing Liverpool team romp to the title, but there is a particular delight to watching your team win when they aren’t expected to. Many of my favorite recent Liverpool victories have been those when they stuck it to Manchester City when they really had no business doing so. Liverpool supporters at present don’t get to enjoy that feeling.
Kudos to Club Atlético de Madrid for putting up such a ferocious fight and giving fans some actual drama this season.
Chris, Chicago, LFC
That’s the real pub quiz
I’m disappointed with UEFA, they tried to get as much money as they could that they over sold the product. The Champions League used to be available on mainstream media for everyone’s consumption growing up. Then it changed, with subscription TV, you either paid for the TV subscription or went to a pub that had paid for it so patriots would enjoy the game.
I think this model worked the best because it felt like going to an actual game, where you met up with friends and had a few drinks and argued over decisions.Now comes this new format, where a pub has subscribed to one channel, and not to the other so it screws up an entire night. I was all set on watching the Spurs vs Red Bull game only to have to watch Atlanta beat Valencia, which was quite enthralling but I’d already lost psyche due to choosing the wrong pub.
I really don’t know what UEFA are doing here, but like Man City said, a few clubs could simply create a super league and cut them off.
Dave( Is anyone looking at LaLiga,it seems to be dropping standards), Somewhere
At least someone enjoyed it
Wow! That was another amazing night in what is increasingly beginning to feel like a never ending run of amazing nights for Atalanta. Winning the first leg of their first ever Champions League knockout match is one thing, but doing so 4-1 is – well, anyone who watches Atalanta regularly will probably have run out of superlatives by now.
Since they squeaked out of the group – don’t forget, they lost their first 3 games by an aggregate of 11-2 – they have beaten AC Milan 5-0 and Parma 5-0 in consecutive games either side of the winter break and beat Torino 7-0, yet also contrived to lose 2 and draw 1 against teams with 10 men. Most recently they came from behind to beat Roma, their nearest challengers for a top 4 spot, 2-1. Atalanta have goal scoring threats all over the pitch: not just Ilicic , Gomez and Zapata up front, with Muriel off the bench, but also the likes of Gosens, Haterboer, Pasalic, and Malinovsky, all anchored by the hard work of De Roon. Under Gasperini they have made a habit of gaining points from losing positions.
By the way, what makes last night’s win over Valencia even more impressive is that it wasn’t actually at home. The stadium in Bergamo isn’t yet up to standard for European matches, so they played at San Siro instead. The BBC reported that 40,000 people made the trip from Bergamo. I wonder if any of the Bermasachi did what one Hull resident did when Hull FC and Hull KR played each other in rugby league’s Challenge Cup final in 1980, and hung a sign over a motorway bridge on the way out of the city saying, “last one out turn the lights off”.
James T, Ishikawa, Japan
P.S. Free Sports in the UK has J.League coverage this season, starting Friday 21st.
I hate to ask this but why are people so upset about Wenger’s proposed new offside law? I think I’ve said 3 times in the mailbox this season it would be a positive change and nobody has ever written in to say anything otherwise.
Hopefully we can all agree that offside isn’t about Firmino’s armpit or Harry Kane’s big toe. It’s about preventing outright goal hanging.
The current law punishes quick-minded attackers who anticipate a run because the very movement to start running forward pushes your head ahead of your body and a defender who doesn’t react gets the good fortune of playing you offside by simply doing nothing.
The new rule would make offside easier to rule (for VAR definitely, for linesmen I’m not sure) would bring back the essence of why the law was created in the first place and would result in more goals which is surely why we all watch the game in the first place?
Someone explain to me why I’m wrong and why everyone is so upset.
Manchester City didn’t “cheat”
Please excuse my ignorance, and I’ll be happy to be corrected, but the narrative that Manchester City “breached FFP regulations” as is widely reported, is simply not true.
FFP was instituted to protect the long-term viability of clubs who, with an owner with a short-term gambler’s mentality, run at a loss, year-on-year, eventually resulting in bankruptcy and liquidation. Manchester City obviously are not part of that narrative. Sadly, domestically, Leeds, Portsmouth and others were, and are.
Manchester City were investigated for overstating their sponsorship revenue in their submitted accounts in breach of the UEFA “Club Licensing” regulations. A small point, perhaps, but important. Whether or not Manchester City fudged the source of the sponsorship revenue is not in doubt (they did), but the draconian sanctions against them was not because of what they did, but they fact the tried to conceal it.
Manchester City could, and may, argue that the eventual source of the sponsorship dollars was within the rules, but instead of testing those waters the financial director chose instead to take the easier route and fabricate the accounting. That is why they are facing the sanctions against them.
Also, while I’m on the subject of accounting (I know it’s about as interesting as watching paint dry) but those pointing fingers at Manchester United for running with over a $300 million burden of debt and wondering why FFP doesn’t apply to them, it’s simple. FFP provides a limit on loss-making years in a club’s accounts, and has a loss cap over which, over three years, a club may not exceed. Currently, that cap is 30m Euro. So, as long as the Manchester United profit & loss accounts each year do not show a cumulative loss of 30m Euro, all is good. Whether the club is in debt or not is irrelevant; as long as the revenues each year can cover the operating costs of the club and the servicing of the debt, there are no concerns from a financial viability perspective. Hurrah for the noodles and the tractors, that income is valuable.
It’s exactly the same on a personal level – let’s say you have a 30-year mortgage on your house, you have unpaid credit card debt, but each year your income covers interest on those loans, all other outgoings and you are left with either cash in hand or a flatline zero, you as an individual are a viable going concern financially. You might want to try to pay down the debt, but as long as you’re making your payments and covering your other obligations you’re doing just fine. You might not be able to afford the Lamborghini of your dreams due to your mortgage payments, but that’s discretionary spending, so don’t try to buy Cristiano Ronaldo, you can’t afford him.
Manchester City didn’t “cheat”, they got caught in a lie and exacerbated that by denial. It’s like getting a ticket for running a red light and then claiming you weren’t driving when you were. The first is a misdemeanor, the second is a felony. Major difference. It’s the denial they were punished for, not for running the light.
Steve, Los Angeles
What do you expect Man City fans to do?
Right. That’s it. Seb Stafford-Bloor’s latest piece has pushed me over the edge. There have been many mails along similar lines in the last few years, and especially after last Friday’s announcement. Some, especially, drip with moral indignation, with their authors typing away with their figurative noses in the air. All seem to conveniently forget that City fans, in exactly the same way as these apparently squeaky-clean, saint-like supporters, have absolutely no say in who buys, or runs, our respective football clubs. Just like, in recent times, those supporting Charlton Athletic, or Leyton Orient, or Coventry, or Leeds, or Pompey or, indeed, Bury FC. So, when these moral super-humans are sniffingly throwing out missives that include, ‘blood money’, ‘dirty oil money’, ‘terrible human rights issues’ and S S-B wondering why we aren’t angry with our club, I have just one question.
What, exactly, do you expect us to do?
You see, although never actually stated, the clear inference in these mails and articles is that, had Sheikh Mansour bought THEIR club, then the response would have been howls of righteous indignation coupled with a mass burning of season tickets and signed shirts with all ‘true’ supporters never darkening the door of said club ever again until Mansour was ousted and replaced by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Put it another way. If he had bought Everton instead of City and the Toffees had the same consequent success, are you seriously suggesting that Goodison Park would have been empty every matchday for the past six years? Or if it was Bristol Rovers instead of Bristol City, Wednesday instead of United, Spurs instead of Arsenal? You get the idea. Because, if you do, I call 100%, grade ‘A’ bullshit.
The US of A and, arguably Russia, have the most racist and misogynistic Presidents of modern times, not to mention a penchant for invading countries and killing people they consider a threat, and on foreign soil, without the need for any pesky trials. Should we therefore sniff at United and Chelsea fans and call for them to oust their owners? Ban all American and Russian players from English football? Ukraine and Italy (to name but another two) have some of the worst racist fans in the world. Ban all Ukrainian and Italian owners and players? Amazon and Starbucks pay a pittance in tax in the UK, but I haven’t seen many coffee shops closing and Amazons’ bottom line seems to be performing wonderfully. Facebook, along with other major social media outlets doesn’t do nearly enough to protect children from predators or to stop/take down terrorist filth, fake news or hate speech. But their memberships don’t appear to be shrinking? Oh, and not forgetting that the UK has been supplying Saudi Arabia with high-tech weaponry for decades as well as members of our excellent* Armed Forces (more recently) to show them how to use it to bomb Oman. I think you know what I’d be adding to that last sentence.
If you are reading this, and every owner, manager and player of your club have been nothing but paragons of virtue AND you, personally, have never done anything morally questionable. You know, like cheating on your partner, stealing, taking drugs, telling your company you’re sick when you’re not or claiming on expenses something you had no right to. If you have shunned Amazon and Facebook and Starbucks. If you have stopped watching or following any celebrity who has been shown to use a (perfectly legal) but morally suspect tax avoidance scheme. If you meet all that criteria then, respectfully, you are either:
A. Channelling the spirit of the late Mother Theresa.
B. Full of sh*t.
If it’s ‘A’, then please do write in and tell us morally bankrupt City fans what we should do.
If, as recent (rubbish) reports suggested, someone within the Saudi Royal family had, indeed, bought Man United do you think this site would’ve been flooded with anguished Reds, from around the globe, declaring their intention never to support that club ever again? I seem to recall a minor revolt involving supporters wearing Green & Gold in such a protest. I’m actually full of admiration for those fans and for those who subsequently formed, and still support, FC United (I’ve been to their games. Don’t judge me Blues, our kid’s a big fan). Whilst it doesn’t mean such campaigns should never go ahead, what did it realistically achieve? I repeat. Supporters get no say in who either buys, or runs, their club.
I read F365 to (hopefully) learn more about football and be educated by like-minded individuals. To read articles and mails that are thought-provoking, interesting and, most importantly, have a complete absence of trolling, sneering knuckle-dragging ars*holes of the type who delight in singing “Your support is f*cking sh*t” when actually at a game (sheesh).
There are homeless people on the streets of, pretty much, every town and city in this country. There are children starving and alone and abused in India and Africa (and elsewhere). Men women and children trafficked from across the world in modern slavery. Watch just four to six hours of daytime UK TV and you will see multiple adverts appealing for support around abuse of donkeys, the lack of clean water for communities in the third world, cleft lip and palates, Cancer Research, RSPCA, Médecins Sans Frontières, et al.
My clumsy point is this. I don’t come here to read about politics, religion, or morality. There’s no shortage of sites out there where, if you’re so minded, you can jump right in and just fill your boots. Personally, I’m an avid reader of contemporary historical and geo-political issues and will also surf both UK and global news outlets for stories of interest. Respectfully, I just don’t think those three subjects have a place on here, something that is self-evidently not my call.
More precisely perhaps, I come on here to read and indulge on the sport I love not the rest of the crap going on in the world. I can go elsewhere for that.
*With absolutely no sarcasm at all. They are excellent and simply none better. They just don’t get to choose where which f*ckwit politician chooses to send them or what their orders will be when they arrive.
When in Roma
In amongst all the bad football news stories and moaning about VAR there is a piece on the BBC sport website today highlighting the initiative Roma have put in place to help highlight and find missing children. For the past 2 transfer windows every time Roma have announced a new signing on various websites and social media they have put a picture or video of a missing child, not just Italian children, children from all over the world..Roma are encouraging other clubs to do the same. It seems blindingly obvious when you think of the global reach football clubs, particularly the biggest football clubs have. This would seem to need very little effort from those clubs to make this happen. There must be data for how many views or clicks a new signing generates on social media for one of Europes biggest clubs.
This is an amazing opportunity to use that for something incredibly positive as well.
Hopefully more clubs can join in with what Roma have started and promote this or other similar ideas.