Jurgen Klopp deserved better than being chucked under the bus by Jordan Henderson…

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Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp hugs Jordan Henderson

In a Mailbox that screams ‘international break’, one Liverpool fan hammers Jordan Henderson for how he repaid the man who made him. Also: Erik ten Hag; Saudi deals; and more.

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Henderson did Klopp dirty
As though he hasn’t screwed up enough with that interview, he also managed to throw Klopp under the bus by saying he didn’t want him (now that he’s old and slow.) Bullsh*t, Jordo (your new and petty nickname) – Klopp f*cking MADE you, mate. Before Liverpool and Klopp, you were some Sunderland dude plodding along in obscurity. Rodgers made you skipper, yes, but Klopp MADE you. And you thank him thusly? Nobody is bigger than the club. A real captain does what’s best for the club, even if it means sucking up bench tome in your dotage.

Walk alone with your murderous new buddies.
Scott, LFC Toronto

 

FP365
I never thought I would see F365 arguing the case for empire until I read the response to Jordan Henderson’s interview.

Now I feel obliged to preface my comments with my view of the interview in a vain attempt to prevent a pile on from readers calling me a nazi for not agreeing with F365. But here goes; his interview was ridiculous, he should have spoken the truth and just said he went for the money. I will also add for what it is worth, I am for civil rights; we should all be nice to each other.

What irks me is the article you wrote. First and foremost, he is a footballer, he gets paid to play football, it is fine for him to go wherever he is handsomely paid. Ah but the civil rights issues I hear you shout. Isn’t it interesting that the people who take this view are usually the same people who hate the west for its empire building. Empire building? What has this got to do with Henderson? This isn’t a defence of empires but look at the countries who allow you the freedom to express yourself and champion civil rights causes. I would argue the shared world view of these western countries has something to do with their shared history. Britain, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the great enlightenment. Yet a culture or country not touched by western empires is abhorrent because it doesn’t support western views. Now I agree, I do not support Saudi Arabia’s intolerance, but isn’t it interesting that you want to impose your western views on this country? No debate, no nuance, this country is terrible. It may be a stretch linking this to empire building, but essentially one country imposes its values and customs on another, how is this different?

In defence of Henderson, he isn’t a politician, politics is not his job whether you like it or not. But isn’t change in a culture done incrementally? To say no one should go to Saudi Arabia because they are intolerant will not result in it changing anytime soon. Saying that, he needs to fire his agent or the person who let him do that interview.

Now onto my team Newcastle, I can’t say I was enamoured with the buyers, I was pleased to see Ashley gone however. But again, the nashing of teeth from some people. It is ironic in this globalised world you have keyboard warriors condemning Newcastle, typing their venom or vitriol on an iPhone or a laptop, ignorant to the fact the tools they use, the fuel they use to get to work, whether by car or bus, are helped along by some of the regimes they rail against, and that goes for you F365 and Johnny Nic. Now I am not against protest, but when you are demonising one set of fans for not taking a stance and yet there you are tapping away on the latest MacBook Pro. So why not be the change that is needed and lead the way. Incremental change, but no, you would rather sit on your arse and expect someone else to do it for you.

While I’m on a roll, that readers letter (and I’m paraphrasing because I can’t be arsed to find the letter) about Antony, Greenwood and some other terrible footballer which goes on to say “when will men, let women be themselves”. It lists those 3 footballers and then goes on to make a blanket statement about all men. Three men, yet it is the basis to denigrate every man. I would imagine the majority of woman live happily ever after. There now you can pile on, if this makes it past the editor.
ANON
PS – Site should be called Football Politics 365 as there is little football these days.

 

Money, money, money
Is anyone else becoming a little bit irritated by the narrative of ‘the money doesn’t matter’ with regards to players turning down moves to Saudi Arabia?

Son Heung Min isn’t bothered by the money apparently, neither is Lewandowski. I would imagine earning nearly 10 and 20 million pounds a year makes not caring just that slight bit easier. Thats before sponsorships and endorsements.

It’s probably for the greater good that certain players are choosing to remain in more competitive football rather than moving somewhere to earn a lot. But please for the love of god can we stop acting as if they are missing out. I keep seeing things talking about life changing amounts of money. These guys already earn life changing amounts of money. People like Luka Modric and Sergio Ramos have already earned hundreds of millions. They aren’t choosing minimum wage. They and their families are already set for life. Ultimately a few more million isn’t going to alter that.
Andrew

Read more: Saudi Arabia transfers: Every mad move, crazy wage and ridiculous rumour from a silly summer
Ten Hag the headteacher
I have been a fan of United for over 50 years. I think Ten Hag is probably very good at disciplining the squad on what they should eat , leaving their phones in the locker , and turning up on time . But I think he is seriously lacking in coaching skills , and his team selections have been abysmal at times .
Last season he bought in Cartworst to play up front , a giant who shrunk to 5feet 2inches when he rose to attempt to head the ball . His foot skills were just as bad .Nice lad ran hard but in the wrong direction . A championship player at a stretch , but week in week out he was selected and played . Ten Hag thinks players from the very average Dutch league are the answer for United . This is because he knows little else . I just don’t think he is anywhere near good enough for United . I honestly can’t see him lasting to long . If Pep had this job with the clubs resources we would be awesome again . Ten Hag comes over as a boring, also ran deep out of his depth Mr Average .
Stewart Shaw

 

…I wrote in way back when (it was only May) to throw ten criticisms Ten Hag’s way. And I think it’s a good time to revisit part of that list. The two specific criticisms that come to mind were:

Signing Antony

Taking the job in the first place

In my criticism about signing Antony I suggested that better players were available at half the price. That seems more pertinent now for two reasons. One is that we struggled to really strengthen the squad this summer (though I do think we have just about managed it) due to not having enough money. An extra £40M could’ve gone a long way.

Then of course the bigger reason is the allegations which are piling up against him. There’s obviously an element of Captain Hindsight about this one, but Ten Hag has obviously signed the joy because he knows and trusts him. Is there some poor judgement by Erik here? Erik’s only comments on the matter have also been naive at best. It looks like Antony is going down as United’s worst signing, when you take into account the cost and return. And I thought Pogba was bad.

Erik must be wondering what he has walked into. It’s currently a steaming cesspit of a club. There’s takeover uncertainty, staff revolt over how the club are dealing with, well, everything. They’ve u-turned on keeping one violent player, potentially covered up another one. They’ve honoured a paedophile, who they say they didn’t know was a paedophile despite him having spent time in jail. They’ve lost one of the best women’s players on a free and look like they’re about to lose the best goalkeeper in the world, in part because they’ve dicked about with the contracts for both of them (and I suspect because of all the other issues above). They’ve handled the departure of their best player in the last decade very poorly. The stadium is falling apart. The owners are deeply unpopular but they don’t care.

United currently feels like a misogynistic, old school corporate behemoth that was once great but is now in its death throes. Even the good times are being tarnished now. Sounds like a metaphor for England in general actually.

So yeh I think there’ll be times when Erik is actively regretting his decision to take over at United and his reputation is not going to come out unscathed. Unless he’s the second coming of Sir Alex Ferguson. Though I’m sure his wages make up for a lot.

I sincerely hope the Glazers sell. Unfortunately for everyone at the club now, the new owners are going to have to come on and clean the entire senior management out. At the moment that doesn’t extend to Erik. Let’s hope that doesn’t change.
Ash (#glazersout) Metcalfe

Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag already finds himself under pressure.

A taste of the replies to Olu
Olu wants to draw parallels between Scholes and Neville kissing in 2010 and Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso against her will.

At the time that Neville planted a smooch on Paul Scholes, he and Scholes had been friends for over twenty years, essentially growing up together through boyhood and young adulthood. There’s a level of implied consent in an act of intimacy between two long-standing close friends, and Scholes has never said that the kiss was against his will, or that he felt violated. Does he think that the same level of long-standing friendship exists between Rubiales and Hermoso? Did he miss that Hermoso has stated unreservedly and categorically that the kiss was against her will?

Clown.
Dara O’Reilly, London

 

…Dear Legal365

I write in again to debate the hot topic of the ongoing persecution of Men. My previous missive calling out a Defender of Men was deemed to “silly” by the original poster and he did not deign to read it all the way through.

So this time I will be more serious.

I write in reply to Olu, Glasgow who talks of the “pussification” of men and the seriousness of defamation. He is not wrong (on the second count); false accusations should be taken seriously and punished accordingly.

Two points though:
1 – the fact Mendy was acquitted does not mean he was found innocent. In this case it was because the jury could not reach a verdict so the judge dismissed the case
2 – the fact Mendy is not actually suing his accuser is probably because he knows he does not have a case.

Whether the accusation was in fact true or not may never be known, but the seriousness with which this case was taken suggests there was enough evidence to make it seem more than a little possible. Were there nothing to go on it would never have made it this level. On balance it appears that Mendy’s jury of peers were unable to agree with some believing him guilty and others innocent.

As a final point, it is well documented that the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults do not lead to convictions. This is not because the men in question are innocent but because of a number of reasons including the victims being unable to stomach a long trial, or they are too scared to testify.

Once again, but seriously this time, I feel the need to point out that men are not being oppressed or downtrodden or in any way marginalised or victimised. The world is still very much male dominated and women are still very much second class citizens in much of the world. Including here.

When’s the Premier League back..?
Alay, N15 Gooner

 

…Taken a long hard look in the mirror and I still feel nothing (but f***ing joy) watching Nev plant one on his best friend of 30+ years after a last-minute derby winner, yet I do feel “triggered” by a creepy bald dude uninvitedly snogging a World Cup winner in HER biggest moment.

The pussification of Simon MUFC must be well and truly complete.
Simon MUFC