Mails: Rooney wrong to presume players can coach

Date published: Friday 9th February 2018 2:51

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Rooney’s wrong

The article on 365 this morning with Wayne Rooney expressing his opinion that top level players shouldn’t have to take their B licence has really hit a nerve with me. As an A licence coach I couldn’t disagree more with he has said. Firstly he states “The problem nowadays is that most players who have played at the very top level don’t need to do it for the money, so it has to be a motivation to want to do it… I know players who look at that process and what they see is five or six years to get all the badges. Do they really need that? It is a problem. You won’t get enough players in.”

How about the motivation to make you a better coach? How about the motivation that by taking the time and doing these badges means that the younger players you will be coaching will be getting the best coaching possible!! The reason the process takes so long is because you have to submit 50 hours of coaching sessions (IFA Criteria) that you have taken to prove that you can coach to that standard, pointless going onto to do your A license if you can’t coach to B license standard.

He then states “The FA has to look at that. We do the ‘B’ level coaching licence and, really, anyone can do it. Honestly. Anyone who has played to a level – any Premier League level – they can do that with their eyes shut.”

I cannot believe his arrogance that he feels just because he has been coached at the top level that he could just go in coach to B license standard, he might be able to set the drills up and get the drill going but could he really step in and pick out coaching points that need to made? Does he know the five principles of attacking and defensive play that you must coach in your final assessment of the B license? I really do wonder

And lastly he states “From next season I want to be doing some coaching sessions with the Under 14s at Everton. It would be good to have all my badges by the time I have finished, but it is also about having the chance to carry on when I have so I can get straight into coaching.”

I was coaching in America last year and I was coaching with a guy who coached Wayne and Ross Barkley at Everton along with a lot of other top talent. He said to me that he never really started coaching until he left Everton because the young lads at this academy have all the ability in the world so if you’re doing passing drill for example the young lads know instinctively to open their body up to receive it on their back foot…. So if he wants to get straight into coaching and wants to test himself as a coach why not go to a local club in Liverpool and let the kids have access to the already great coach that he is!!!
Kev (Spent a lot of time and money to try and be the best coach possible)


Suarez or Salah?
Can we stop talking about Peak Salah v Peak Suarez because Peak Salah hasn’t arrived yet.

– Salah is 25, Suarez was 27 (Peak Age) in his final (Peak) season at Liverpool. A better comparison would be non-peak Suarez in his first two full seasons versus Salah now.

– For all of the goals Salah has scored over this season, in each match he has scored, he has missed 1-2 sitters. He is already on track to eclipse Suarez’s goalscoring exploits for Liverpool without the goals that Suarez / Kane would have buried. If/when he develops his finishing game who knows how many goals he can get.

– Suarez was also a flat-track bully, (Norwich and Wigan are notable victims of his). He scored 11 goals against top 6 opposition during his 3 and a half seasons in England, Salah is already on 7 in just over half a season. Salah can also become more of a flat-track bully by starting to notch hat-tricks where he has notched 2 this season (Maribor, Southampton, Stoke etc).

– For all the clamouring for the nastiness of Suarez or a bit of bite in the team (especially in attack), I don’t see the need for that. Would rather have Salah playing every game of the season than missing out for doing something stupid. If you think back to Man U of 90’s with Keane and Scholes or Viera of the Invincibles maybe football has developed above the need for a nasty bloke in the team. Of the Man City team who are dominating this league currently, where is their nastiness? Otamendi looks a bit like a thug, Fernandinho is tasked with the cynical fouls to break up attacks and Aguero occasionally loses it but no Costa, Suarez or Wayne Rooney level s***-housery.

– Suarez is the best player I have ever watched live and gets the whole crowd excited when he got on the ball. However, Salah is now doing that too and I for one am excited at the development of non-peak Salah and look forward to this debate / non-debate when Peak Salah arrives.
George Friday, LFC


…A perfect example that illustrates football fans short memories!
Suarez by a country mile.
Ciaran, Birmingham


…Just one more bit to add on the Suarez 13/14 vs. current Salah debate.

Suarez was just a flat track bully that year but when it came to the crunch games that year vs. the rest of the top 4 I didn’t see him score once against City, Arsenal or Chelsea. What they would have gave for him to come up with a bit of magic vs. Chelsea.

Where as you have Mo Salah, almost scoring regularly against the big teams.

Just my thoughts on that matter.
Craig P. Dublin


What got you into your team?
Kevin, Bedford’s email struck a chord with me this morning as it’s a topic I’ve been thinking about recently for personal reasons.

I’m a Manchester United supporter for various reasons – first and foremost most of my family (Mum, Uncles, Cousins) and friends were United. I grew up in Northwich, about half way between Manchester and Liverpool and as such pretty much everyone supports one of the four major clubs from those cities (the sad demise of Northwich Vics further compounding this). And I was five years old, it was 1992 so football had only just come into existence, and United were very much on the up swing. Cantona, Giggs, Schmeichel, Ince, Sharpe, Kanchelskis…what wasn’t to like (apart from maybe Darren Ferguson)?

But…my Dad was, and is, a devout Evertonian. Despite his brother and sister both being United, he used to go to every home game from the early 70s to early 80s (still got the programmes, most of which were sadly defaced) in the days when it was acceptable for an 11 year old to get the train to a major city on their own and spend their afternoon in a hugely cramped paddock. By the early 90s he’d stopped going (work, family, money reasons etc) but I’m sure he would have loved me to be able to make me to Goodison on a regular basis. But he never forced it, let me make my own choices and ultimately the last 26 years have been a very different experience for me than they could have been.

I’m glad (and not just from a glory hunting perspective) because it means that even now we can have a friendly rivalry, as well as a mutual enemy in Liverpool, and talk about football without it being completely tethered to club interests (apart from when talking about Liverpool).

And now I have an 11 month old son who is the proud/completely oblivious owner of Everton bibs and a Man Utd babygro. He also has the threat of a Tottenham supporting Mother-in-Law adding to that collection. And while I’d rather he didn’t support Liverpool, City or Leeds, ultimately I won’t mind who he grows up supporting. He’s growing up in Sussex so Brighton are on the door step, but whoever he chooses (if he does indeed choose a team) I’ll happily go to games with him if he wants and hopefully we”ll have the same relationship when it comes to football as he gets older as I do with my Dad.
Mike Coxon, Northwich exile in Burgess Hill


…In response to Kevin, Bedford’s question on how we started supporting our club, I have to dive back into the depths of the dark ages that were the 1970s. I was a kid of perhaps 5 or 6 when I started to realise what football was, so this would have been 1972-73. I was in my own bedroom and used to wake up to posters of Best, Charlton, Law, et al from the Man United teams of the late 60s-early 70s. Even at this young an age I had the wherewithal to wonder how I got these posters as I wasn’t allowed to walk to the shops by myself yet! As it transpired the mystery was a bit mundane in the end. We lived next door to my cousins and there were 2 boys a bit older than me in that house and 1 supported Man Utd, the other was more into cars. So Sean, the Man Utd supporter, ran out of room for his posters on his side of their room so he just walked into our house and started to put them up in my room as all the walls were free. In Irish families, cousins are just extended brothers and sisters so nobody said anything, thus through subliminal advertising of a sort I became a Man Utd supporter, it really was an Irish thing at that time as well due to George! Anyway, my first real memories of United were in the old 2nd division under Tommy Doherty with Martin Buchan as Captain, and I have supported ever since. So, thank you Sean for putting those colourful posters on the wall for my impressionable m ind to absorb, they have given me 46 years of pleasure and pain.
C.P. Cunningham {ordinary () are so passe!}


…@Kevin, Bedford. In relation to parents influence my Dad, the hippy that he is, gave us all free reign when picking our clubs. So in my family it goes like this.

Dad. West Ham. He always claimed its due to their famous academy. It’s not wise to ask how it’s doing these days.

Mam. Man City. I think it was her Dad’s team but I might be making that up, can’t remember really, but she’s loving it now and deserves it. I remember her checking their results in the Saturday late Herald from their league 2 days.

Older Sister. Has been fickle to be honest. After many years of following the good looking teams for some unknown reason has settled on Liverpool. For now.

Older bro. Leeds. Bless. Their title win in the early 90’s and then later the Dave O’Leary team kept him hooked. That rivalry was fun.

Myself. Arsenal. Despite receiving many Liverpool kits from an over zealous uncle, Michael Thomas winning the league at Anfield sealed my fate. It’s weird to feel the joy of seeing your clubs most successful period in their history while realising that it may all be downhill from here. Do you United/Liverpool fans feel the same?

Younger bro. Newcastle. Shearer, Keegan, Robson. A football fairytale at their best. And he got hooked the most/worst of us all.

As yet unborn son. I think I’ll let him decide. But my mate Garry has other ideas.

No United or Liverpool really. Very odd in an Irish household.
Al (Arsenal 4 Spurs 4, a double sending off, Kane and Nacho with hat-tricks and Wenger finally gets his jacket zipped), Dublin


…In response to Kevin, Bedford, I can only answer for myself when parents make their children support the same club. My dad likes football but hasn’t ever really supported a team, so I’ve basically started my own tradition. The main reason I’ve encouraged my son to support Crystal Palace is as an extra way to bond with him and get him in to football. I tell people it’s more profound than that, though, that I’m teaching him an important life lesson: football is about enjoying the game, not about whether you win or lose, because you lose most of the time, so there’s no point getting upset about it; when you win, enjoy it but don’t gloat, as you’ll likely lose next time. There’s also parental pride in seeing a miniature version of yourself (albeit without the beard and with shorter hair) in a replica shirt.

However, I have also told him he doesn’t have to support Palace when he gets older, that he’ll be able to make his own choice, provided it’s for the right reasons. Given where we live, it’s no surprise that many of his friends support Nottingham Forest (and one of his teachers is a Notts County season ticket holder), and the first game I ever took him to was Forest v Nasty Leeds. More recently, I’ve taken him to Grantham Town, for logistical reasons but also because I quite like it there.

As I said, I want him to make his own choice, but I have said to him most people choose a local team, or one they’ve got a connection to through family. So basically, if he wants to be like his friends, he can support Forest, but if he wants to support a (for now) Premier League side, he’s got Palace. Poor kid. Still, no one will accuse him of being a plastic or a gloryhunter.

Enjoy your weekend, everyone.
Ed Quoththeraven


…Interesting question to start my morning off from Kevin in Bedford, when I was growing up I loved players like Kaka, Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Juninho (The one from Lyon) but yet I am a Chelsea fan, the main reason I chose them was not due to the Russian money (I promise) but I was at a car boot sale the once and saw some football shirts for sale, one of those shirts was a Chelsea FC shirt with Eider Gudjohnsen on the back, I loved the look of the name and the style of the shirt, I bought it with my pocket money and supported them ever since.
Mikey Clewer, CFC (Still have a soft spot for AC Milan and Lyon though)


Mic up refs
Football is the most popular game in the world, the richest game in the world and yet, it gets so many things wrong. The current VAR debate shows how stuck in the past football’s authorities are, and the fact that they are trying to implement it in their own special way at the FA is just laughable – rugby, cricket and tennis fans must be laughing at us.

But, much as I support VAR, there is one aspect that we should implement that probably trumps all others for me: miced up refs. ‘Why’s he given that?’ is often heard being screamed from the stands – well why not let the ref explain? In rugby, in US Football, you hear it all – the ref gives his decision and explains it. Perfect. Why not have the ref miced up and he can explain why he’s given something – couple this with VAR and you can let the ref explain why he has upheld or overturned a decision. People say ‘If we remove human error, we’ll have nothing to talk about’ – that’s just bollocks. The same old pros and fans that are saying that are frothing at the mouth when a dive is missed or a penalty given incorrectly. Have VAR and let the ref talk us through the decision.

Another consequence of this would be that we would hear the onfield interactions between players and ref – something I assume the FA doesn’t want due to its embarrassment about what would be revealed about the levels of ‘respect’ shown to the officials by the players. But so what? Introduce it at the start of next season, give clubs the whole of preseason to drum it into their players that they must respect the officials and then red card those that don’t. For a few weeks, you’d probably get a lot of reds. Some players still might not get it, but when they’re on their 3rd or 4th suspension, their manager will soon make them get it.

‘It’ll ruin games with red cards’ – no, it won’t: players will ruin games, not refs. If a player cannot interact with an official without abusing them, then they don’t deserve to be on the pitch.

It would need a strong governing body to implement this, even though it’s incredibly basic (son’t be an arsehole- everyone can hear you, is essentially it) but I fear the FA is far too weak to actually act and implement something that will really have an effect on player behaviour that would filter down to the grass roots level. Hopefully, we can stop the exodus of refs from lower level football, but if we end up in a situation where there are too few refs, the fault will lie with the FA and the top-level players who set such a disgusting example to our kids.
Rich (also sin bins, VAR for everything and more!)


Look it up
Adonis Stevenson, AFC says the camera helped prove that two elite officials don’t know the laws of the game. No. It didn’t. It did exactly the opposite. I can even prove it without having to rely just on my own opinion!

When you see two people at the top of their profession calmly and deliberately discuss something in a way you feel is wrong then the appropriate reaction is to first DOUBT YOURSELF. This enables you to find out if you’re right so that you can ‘go to war’ with the truth or avoid said war in the first place.

This is straight from Law 11 (offside) under the ‘offside offence’ sub section:
“A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who DELIBERATELY plays the ball is NOT considered to have gained an advantage” – and thus has not committed an offside offence.

You can tear that sentence apart for being unfair/unjust/stupid all you like but as the rules currently stand the officials were correct and up to date, unlike most fans (including myself). I find it hard to believe that I am one of an alarmingly small number of people who was willing to consider the fact that I was wrong and take the 2 minutes required to find out.

While the rule is poor (in my opinion) and in need of some polishing you will rarely see an assistant give a referee such clear and concise instruction as to why he is wrong and why he can confidently reverse his decision. It was outstanding officiating surrounding a rule technicality I think is obvious the vast majority of fans/defenders would like to see changed.

If you are going to hate on officials, at least do it when they are clearly in the wrong, instead of clearly in the right.
Matt, Vancouver Island (SFFC).


…I suggest Adonis Stevenson clambers down from his high horse about everyone not knowing the rules of the game and takes the time to read Law 11 (offside) thoroughly (—offside). In doing so he may actually understand why the decision was correct and the conversation between linesman and ref happened as it did.

Specifically the clause “A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.” Since Lovren attempted to deliberately play the ball (even though he fluffed it) as pointed out by the ref, Harry Kane was not deemed to gain an advantage and was therefore deemed onside according to the rules of the game.

Hopefully that clarification can put this tedious discussion to rest until the next controversial incident, and we can all move on and look forward to a juicy, controversy-free derby tomorrow!
Dave, Spurs (getting across to Wembley for the early kick off will be a ballache on my anticipated hangover tomorrow)


Wenger’s ploy
Isn’t it obvious what Wenger was doing with his English players diving comments?

It’s clearly aimed at Kane after he failed to stay on his feet in the box against Liverpool.

The irony will be if Jack theatrically goes over in the penalty area and we end up nicking it 1-0. But of course if this happens, Wenger won’t have seen it.
Graham Simons, Gooner, (Who am I kidding? our defence is rubbish), Norf London


Degsy’s Disney dig
Can someone please buy Degsy a pint for single handedly giving the best insult I have heard in an age with his “several townsfolk that Walt Disney would struggle to draw” comment?

Not that I agree with the predictions (the Arse will win against spurs, not that I’m biased in any way) but my god sometimes we just need to take a moment and appreciate beautiful things.
Adam L. (that’s why he earns the big bucks I imagine, before he precedes to blow it all away) Gooner in France.


A tribute to Paul Alcock
A short missive, and apologies if this has been covered before and I missed it, but…

I was flicking through my local paper last night (the Downs Mail; Weald edition, if you must know – it’s a bit full-on Brexity but otherwise not bad), and saw a familiar face under a sad headline.

Former referee Paul Alcock, he of the Di Canio push, has passed away aged 64.

It was an article full of warm words from local referees, for whom he had clearly been a supportive mentor.

It also turns out Mr Alcock was the manager of our local shopping centre in Maidstone for 17 years – a welcome reminder of the days when the top level of the game still slightly resembled the grassroots.

Rest in peace Mr Alcock, and a big thanks to all the referee Mailboxers for the vital role they play in the game we love.
Steve Sandsmith, Lurking since 2005


Pundits with refereeing qualifications
Like Jonny this morning, I immediately thought of Brian Moore when I read the previous mail from Si. While it would be good if more football pundits passed an exam, it’s a case of be careful what you wish for, as there is an ex-player with a refereeing qualification.

As he likes to remind people, Neil Warnock is (or was) a qualified referee. However, instead using this to give perspective or indeed sympathy for the man in the middle, uses it to berate the official even more, with an added air of superiority (even by the standards of a Yorkshireman). Who’s to say any pundits passing an exam on the laws won’t take exactly the same tone of “… and I should know” when describing from the perspective of a replay how the referee has got something wrong in real time.
Ed Quoththeraven


Quirky stats
Coutinho scored his first Barcelona goal with an assist from Suarez.
He also scored his first Liverpool goal with an assist from Suarez.

Ox – Chamberlain first match with Liverpool ended with a 5-0 defeat at Man City and his first match with Arsenal ended with an 8-2 defeat at Man Utd.

Any other such statistics spring to mind?
MA (Cyprus)

Magic man
Not to take anything away from Paul Merson and interesting turn of phrase, but why can’t these “sliding teams” just be on a normal, snow-capped mountain, on skis? Surely they’ll go down just as fast?


Carlos the clown
I feel the mailbox should acknowledge the fun that Carvalhal has brought to the Prem.

His pressers and analogies are brilliant, he is constantly cheery despite being under immense pressure, Swansea are playing decent football, out of trouble (at the timing writing!) and scoring goals.

Hats off to him.
H (you are rotten inside if your can’t be pleased for him)

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