Won’t somebody think of the Raith rapist? Actually, no

Date published: Thursday 3rd February 2022 7:11 - Editor F365

David Goodwillie arrives at court

The fall-out from the Raith rapist story dominates a mailbox that also talks about stockpiling players and Dele Alli.

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Well done to Raith campaigners
Everyone involved in getting Raith to make the right decision (finally) should be so proud today. The supporters, the players (particularly the women’s team), and the board members who could not accept this awful decision have shown that you CAN make a difference. I can only imagine how it felt to see the latest announcement, after the initial and disgusting ‘proven goalscorer’ statement.

Now if those same dickheads who agreed that signing a rapist was an acceptable football decision could do the decent thing and hand in their notice that would be grand.
thayden

 

Won’t somebody think of the rapist?
Just some thoughts on KM’s mail this morning.

I am completely in favour of the rehabilitation of people who have committed criminal offences and I do believe people deserve a second chance.

However, he gives the example of a software engineer committing a similar offence. The difference here is that certain jobs will not hire people who have been convicted of certain offences , for example if you are convicted of a dishonesty offence it’s unlikely a bank will give you a job, if you are convicted of a sexual offence you will not be able to work as a teacher or a football coach for children , as you have access to young vulnerable people and you are also a role model to them.

Footballers are role models to children, whether that is right or wrong , they are idolised by children. What sort of message does it send to children, especially young men when a convicted rapist (albeit in a civil court) is resigned by a football club. It’s also very important to state that the footballer in question has never publicly shown any remorse for the incident, instead only talking about the effect it had on him.

Ultimately my point is I don’t think anyone has a god given right to be a footballer, if you behave in a bad way or commit serious criminal offences, I don’t think the football club should be employing you. There are plenty of other jobs out there where you are not a role model to children .
Ben in Bristol

 

…KM raises the ‘but what if the rapist was an office worker?’ point that comes up every time someone has the temerity to object to their club signing a rapist. KM, this question is not new, and still continues to be irrelevant. Unless you think the average place of work has thousands of people who pay to come and watch you type, who dedicate hours and hours of their own time to follow you to the photocopier, and who have personal lives that are wrapped around the very existence of your employer. People who will raise their children to proudly celebrate your place of work, and whose children will worship you for your phenomenal spreadsheets.

If your place of work isn’t like that, perhaps you can understand why it’s not remotely similar. Also, you are blocked from certain roles if you are on the sex offenders register to protect vulnerable people. By putting him in this position, they give a rapist a huge amount of power and influence. There is no ‘okay well you’ve done your time and now we’ll forget all about the rape’. You are allowed to move forward. But, and this is key, you have to accept that society is under no obligation whatsoever to forget all about your heinous crime, just because it suits you to forget about it.

Goodwillie was deemed an unreliable witness in his trial. The judge stated thy his testimony was clearly slanted to protect himself. That doesn’t suggest remorse. If he suffered abuse as a child that’s tragic. It is not in any way a justification, excuse, or diminishing factor in his CHOICE to rape a woman.

KM, I don’t know where you are in the world, but you don’t need to know what misogyny looks like here specifically. It’s broadly similarly everywhere on earth, just to remind us all that our societies were built by old men who hate/fear women.

Honestly, I hope supporters make every second of his time at Raith a living hell. There’s no space for forgiveness when the offender has no remorse or contrition. He should he in prison on a sex offenders wing. He’s not. So, quite sincerely, fuck him and any self-pity he might be feeling. He’s an unapologetic rapist. He doesn’t need nor deserve a single word of consideration.

Imagine if people put this much thought into making the world better for women, rather than making sure rapists could live free and unencumbered by such trifling things as justice and consent.

This is also very easy to resolve, at least in examples like the rapist Goodwillie. Through their work, footballers have access to vulnerable people and children. So make it a requirement that they pass a DBS check (formerly CRB). It won’t stop the employment of people like the piece of shit who raped Kathryn Mayorga, but it will stop people like the rapist Goodwillie from abusing their position.
thayden

 

…KM misses a fundamental point. When professional people commit crimes, they face disciplinary action from the professional bodies they belong to as well as in law. A solicitor who commits fraud and goes to jail is disbarred and not allowed to practise law again when he gets out. A doctor who does likewise gets struck off – the GMC did go through the formalities of striking off Harold Shipman, even though there was no question of him ever being let out, much less becoming a GP again. The PFA, before anyone else says it, doesn’t have the same powers and we are way beyond the days where sportsmen were meant to set a good example but it is pointless to say that Goodwillie’s case begins and ends with the law. It doesn’t and that would be true even if his crime were a less abhorrent one. And as it stands, he is still a Raith Rovers player with a legally valid contract. Their bad for not realising.
Andrew Warmington, THFC

 

Misogyny United
Just to add to the misogyny chat, worth noting that when the Goodwillie allegations first emerged, he was playing for Dundee United. This was what their fans chanted:

He s***s who he wants,
He s***s who he wants,
David Goodwillie,
He s***s who he wants,

That’s football fans. Anyone who thinks misogyny isn’t an issue in football has their head in the sand.
Mike, LFC, London

 

Dele and the ‘winners’
Not sure who ‘won’ in the deal for Dele, seems like a win/win really. Everton are taking a gamble on a player with talent but who’s really regressed the last few years, and Spurs offload a player who’s costing millions and not providing any kind of return. If it costs Everton nothing other than wages then he’s been a failure and neither club have lost out. If (and it would be quite a turnaround) that he does end up costing £40m then he might become a bit of a bargain for Everton, but then they took the risk and should get the reward. As in most cases the truth is somewhere more central, he will probably be decent and cost £15m or so, which feels about fair.

Personally I really like the player and would be pleased for him to really get his mojo back, would have been lovely if it had been at Spurs but its always nice to see a talent fulfilled.
Steve (THFC)

 

…Dave has taken everything into account except for two tiny details

– Alli is f*ck all use to Spurs and hasn’t been for 3 years odd

– We were paying these things known as ‘wages’ to him until this week. lots of wages. regardless of the above. which had probably begun to add up a bit.

Other then that Dave, two thumbs up, good analysis.

A deal can make sense for all parties concerned, you know?
Darragh, Spurs, Ireland

 

Tuchel is safe
Will Ford speculating that Tuchel will get sacked at the end of the season seems a bit silly. And I think misses the point of Chelsea’s ruthlessness. Chelsea have sacked a lot of managers, but these generally fall into two categories:

1 – Those that had obviously failed, and with whom there was little point continuing. Scolari, AVB, Lampard, Di Matteo fall into this category
2 – Those that deliberately picked a fight with the board. See Mourinho (twice) and Conte

The only exceptions to this were Ranieri, who was obviously doomed from the moment of the takeover; and Ancelotti, whose sacking I believe is viewed as a big mistake by the hierarchy.

If Tuchel takes Chelsea to 2nd-4th and stays on good terms with the board, none of this applies, and there’s no obvious upgrade hanging around waiting to be appointed. Chelsea will know the best chance to beat City and Liverpool is with Tuchel. So the ruthless decision is to keep him (this season we were looking strong until the squad was decimated by injuries and Covid, at which point form dropped). Win any cup (and there are still four to play for) and the season can be judged a qualified success.
Tim Colyer, Chelsea fan, Singapore

 

Defending the stockpiling system
Ok Football365, I’ll bite. In John Nicholson’s latest histrionic polemic on how horrible capitalism is, he chastises mega clubs for hoovering up mediumly-talented teenagers and farming them out on loan until they are old enough to flip to a smaller club for a small profit. My main issue with his argument are:

1. He implicitly assumes that clubs have 20:20 vision in understanding which teenagers will come good and make the grade. This is obviously fantasy. River Plate famously didn’t sign Messi because they thought he was too small and didn’t want to pay $500/month on growth hormones for him. Fortunately or unfortunately, this means that clubs need to sign tons of youngsters onto their books in order to increase their chances of developing players who will one day be good enough for the first team. And just because a player doesn’t make it, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a worthwhile life experience.

2. John assumes that it is better to play regularly for a lower league club rather than be loaned around. For example, he writes “he’s [Lewis Baker] been royally pissed around, in fact. He’d have been better playing for a club in the lower leagues, earning a reputation and becoming an asset in his own right.” Sorry, but how can you know that?!? There are many reasons that Baker may prefer to have had the career he’s had. It is likely Chelsea paid him far more money than a lower league team could afford. In addition, he’s had the opportunity to play in Turkey, the Netherlands, and Germany during which he’s won the Dutch Cup and The Turkish Super Cup. He certainly wouldn’t have had those experiences at Luton Town.

3. John employs a classic straw man argument to further his case: “It seems obvious that had he [Dillon Hoogewerf] stayed at Ajax, he would now likely be a first-team player with a pathway ahead of him.” Is it really that obvious???? Like come on. That’s a ridiculous point to make. Without watching every U18 ManU game, it seems to me that it is nearly as likely that Ajax would have come to exactly the same conclusion about Hoogewerf’s prospects as ManU.

Anyway, rant over.
Oliver, London

 

…I don’t really get John Nicholson’s latest essay about Dillon Hoogewerf.

United signed a promising youth team player. He played in the youth team. It was concluded he probably wasn’t going to make the step up, or at least that United have better prospects in that position.

I don’t know well enough, but he quite possibly was one who the club hoped had a reasonable prospect of developing into a first team player but, for whatever reason, didn’t. That happens all the time. Not everyone has it in them to be Lionel Messi.

Or he might not have been. He might have been signed in the knowledge that he was never United first-team material. But United have to have full squads at every level below the first team and everyone knows that only a very small proportion of those players get to play in the first team. But in exchange, Hoogewerf got to enjoy some of the best (and most successful in terms of turning out professional footballers) youth coaching in the world and probably made a life-changing amount of money. After the benefit of that training he’s now got a move to a club in the Bundesliga where he may have a clearer path to the first team. It feels like a very logical win-win to me.

John says he’d probably be in the Ajax first team now if he’d stayed. Well maybe, but probably not. They say it on their own website that only one or two youth players a year will play for the first team… pretty similar to United really.

John has characterised Hoogewerf as being a commodity that United were hoarding, which I think is pretty unfair. He’s an 18 year old who was playing in the u23s who has decided (or had it decided for him) to move on. How’s that vaguely comparable to Lewis Baker having just left Chelsea at 26?

Now that’s hoarding players, and I can’t think of any comparable scenario at United. Tuanzebe maybe? But he’s been given chances in the United squad and I think they still hope he’ll make it as a squad player. Pereira? But I’d put him very much in the camp of one who was given plenty of opportunity and now can’t be shifted…
Andy (MUFC)

 

…The cream always rises to the top. There’s nothing stopping a perennial loanee requesting a transfer request. Why did Lewis Baker agree to go out on loan all those times? Surely after the the second or third loan spell you’d see the writing on the wall. Also, I imagine Lewis signed he first contract at 18, he left Chelsea when he was 26. There’s no way he was given a 8 year professional contract so maybe he should have taken control of his own career and instead if signing multiple professional contracts with Chelsea he should have tested free agency.

Maybe the fact he didn’t highlights a reason why

I use Lewis Baker as an example but this could be about any career loanee.
Dale (don’t put brackets in brackets)

 

Feeling for West Brom
It’s rare in Football to feel sorry for another football club. Unless you have severe financial difficulties or a horrific owner, most fans will smirk and move on at your current predicament.

However I feel sorry for West Brom fans if (as it looks increasingly likely at time of writing) Steve Bruce is employed as manager.

Honestly the worst football I’ve seen my team (NUFC) ever play was under his watch. I know Ashley never backed him, but there was more than enough to finish decently in the bottom half of the table.

But our players look demoralised, tired and tactically clueless.

So the fans voice their frustrations and are shot down by Bruce’s mates. We had to listen to the usual crowd saying ‘careful what you wish for’. Merson doing his usual trick of making a point twice like that means it’s gospel ‘Who they gonna get? Who they gonna get?’

Then of course there’s the marvel that is Alex Bruce. Now it must be hard having your dad slagged off on social media. But either don’t engage/block/or come off.

Don’t try and justify the results as the results were horrific.

I actually do wish West Brom luck as honestly the pundits (most of them) won’t when things don’t go so well.
Rob G (ABSB)

 

Burnley have smashed it
As a United fan but married into a Burnley supporting family I always keep one eye on how the Dingles are getting on, so with that in mind seeing as no-one else has mentioned them I thought I would give Dyche a round of applause for signing Wout Weghorst. Now at six foot six you may think the big Dutch fella is your typical Dyche target man but you would be wrong, he has two good feet, good in the air and is quicker than Wood, coupled up front with Maxwell Cornet Burnley look a lot more likely to cause teams problems and certainly look like they can score more goals. So when talking about having a good January transfer window selling Chris Wood to Newcastle for 25m then bringing in a proven Dutch international for 12m I think Burnley may have just trumped everyone.
Paul Murphy, Manchester

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