Will winning with Juve make Ronaldo the GOAT?

Date published: Wednesday 13th March 2019 9:22

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Winning the CL with Juve to swing it for Ronaldo?
I’m not trying to open up the impossible debate about Messi vs Ronaldo, but for those that do love to compare the two, would Ronaldo winning the Champions League with Juventus be the thing that would swing voters in his favour? Long way to go etc, but it would be a bit bananas.

For what it’s worth I think they represent the two wonderful types footballers. Messi is born with it and plays like he’s five years old (seriously, watch his childhood videos on YouTube, the moves are the same). He’s got a smile on his face and loves it. Ronaldo is at the limits of every aspect physically and is a product of amazing dedication and hard work. He obviously had talent too but he wasn’t born to be this Ronaldo, his sheer bloody mindedness turned him into the man he wanted to be.

Tonight I think he can take a f**king bow. Marvellous footballer.
Minty, LFC

 

No need to decide, folks
Before the debate kicks off about who is the best goat ever. You are allowed like them both.
DC (Some stones on Ronaldo though), BAC

 

It’s Cristiano’s world…
April 6th 2016 (UCL Quarterfinals 1st leg)
Wolfsburg 2:0 Real Madrid

April 14th 2016 (UCL return leg)
Real Madrid 3:0 Wolfsburg.
Guess who scored all three second leg goals to bail out Real? Cristiano Ronaldo.

20/02/2019 (UCL round of 16 1st leg)
Atletico Madrid 2:0 Juventus

12/03/2019 (UCL round of 2nd leg)
Juventus 3:0 Atletico Madrid
Guess who scored all three second leg goals to bail out Juventus? Yeah, you guessed right – Cristiano Ronaldo again!

The most recent hat trick continued Cristiano Ronaldo’s list of Champions League records which include: most goals, most home goals, most away goals, most group stage goals, most knockout stage goals, most final goals, most free kicks, most penalty goals, most headers, more braces, most hat-tricks and most assists.

People it’s not UEFA Champions League anymore, it’s UEFA Cristiano League!
Izu Edesiri (name your child Ronaldo and he’s certainly gonna be a great footballer), Nigeria

 

…Before yesterday night…
– Atletico Madrid had never lost to an Italian team in UCL knockout stages
– Atletico Madrid had never lost a UCL knockout tie in which they had a first leg 2-0 advantage.
– Juventus had never come back from a 2-0 first leg deficit in UCL

Then Cristiano Ronaldo happened.

Final score:
Cristiano Ronaldo (Juventus) 3:0 Atletico Madrid

Welcome to UEFA Cristiano League!
Izu Edesiri (he even scored a fourth with his cojones celebration in ‘honor’ of Diego Simeone’s first leg shenanigans), Nigeria

 

…The last time Cristiano scored a second-leg hat-trick to overturn a 1st leg 2:0 deficit (against Wolfsburg, 2016), his team went on to win the Champions League.

Also, the last time Cristiano Ronaldo scored a hat trick against Atletico Madrid in a UCL knockout game, his team went on to win the Champions League.

Yesterday, Cristiano has managed to even achieve both in same game (overturn a 1st leg 2:0 deficit and scored a hat trick against Atletico), so does that mean Juventus will now go on to win this season’s Champions League?
Izu Edesiri (please publish this for my own mail box hat trick), Nigeria

 

Hailing a couple of other Juve heroes
Absolutely loving the Champions League this year. Dramatic Tuesday/Wednesday nights, the coverage seems to only be improving and the drama script seems just as exciting. The night belonged to Ronaldo, and what a performance he had. I’m pretty sure you will get plenty of emails on Ronaldo, so I’ll focus on two other players I felt deserved praise. Leonardo Bonnucci. What a player, what a defender. There was a pass/clearance he made after Juve went 3-0 that had me going insane. Any other defender I know – Sergio Ramos, Van Dijk, Pique, clears that either to the stands or boots it as far as possible, at that point and with the pressure Atletico were trying to build. He played the ball to the only open player upfield and that ball was money. Absolutely amazing. The fact that he cleans up so fluidly, so eloquently is absolutely amazing.

The other player, and I know PFM will squirm on this due to his theatrics, but Giorgio Chiellini was on monster mode. He was a warrior out there for Juve. If Christiano was visibly pumped, the only player to match his intensity was Chiellini. The man was playing defence, midfield and contributing to the attack throughout. The one thing I have picked on about his play, is how he seems to be the one footballer, playing to the weaknesses of VAR. He got away with a decision in the last game, that Morata goal should have stood, but by play a ring and feigning the weight of the push, the ref saw hand on back and denied that Atletico goal. I also feel he dived and could have defended Atletico’s first goal. Tonight was more of the same, but I can definitely see another referee going to VAR and penalizing Morata for the push. I wonder if we will see a rise in this, where defenders start falling down when the attackers touched them. Right now the striker gets a penalty, but what if Chiellini has discovered a new way to dive and kill attacks.
Dave (Man City have to stop embarrassing teams, it doesn’t generate goodwill, especially with the Del Spiegel news), Somewhere

 

Defending Roy
My, Paul C’s got some issues with Roy Hodgson, hasn’t he? Let’s just correct him on one or two (or more) things, though.

When he took over at Inter in 1995 they were bottom of Serie A, he took them to seventh place. He took them to third place the following season and a UEFA Cup Final. Doesn’t sound like he ‘failed miserably’ to me. Not a rip-roaring success but not a failure. Oh, and his second stint was as technical director with a few games as caretaker. (By the way, where are Inter now? That’s right, fourth place. And got knocked out of the Champions League when it was easier to qualify after their start.)

No, he’s not a managerial great. Liverpool and England were far more than he could handle. He’s been mainly better off at getting unfashionable teams to play above themselves. Under Hodgson Switzerland reached their first World Cup in 28 years in 1994 (yes, Paul C did grudgingly remember Fulham, bless. Beat Juventus along the way. Not the all-conquering Juventus of today but still a side with a vastly superior European heritage than Fulham. I’m pretty sure they’d take him back right now, as well) and taking Crystal Palace from rock bottom with 7 losses from 7 to safety. Oh, and guiding West Brom to safety as well. Not everybody can be a Pep or a Klopp but I doubt those two would know what to do with Palace and Fulham, either.

For some clubs, getting a manager who can steady a ship means more than trophies. Mourinho’s won loads but there’d have been mutiny if he’d gone back to Madrid. Shows how popular he is at the moment. Managers like Roy Hodgson who can get the best out of comparatively limited talent are worth their weight in gold.
Dave Payn, Easdale Island

 

More on fan behaviour
Some of the classic arguments about the causes of crimes are coming out in the mailbox around pitch invasion. Sad as it is to be talking about it I think we all realise if nothing changes something very, very bad is going to happen so it’s probably a worthwhile discussion.

I think a few things need mentioning. One is that the inequality vs mental health vs drugs vs culture vs personal responsibility discussion about ‘which is to blame’ is often not helpful because it isn’t just one of these things. It’s more likely a co-morbidity of *all* of those things,

A person growing up in poverty raised by neglectful/hostile drug abusing parents is more likely to grow up with less sense of self-worth/increased sense of helplessness (not conducive to believing in personal responsibility) and be more interested in risky behaviour (taking drugs, insane driving, promiscuity, violence) because when you don’t value yourself (just like your parents taught you to) you don’t mind risking yourself for a brief a distracting thrill. Maybe you meet a few similarly reckless people, maybe you go to the football together, maybe they encourage your wilder behaviour rather than suggesting you reign it in….

Or maybe you have less of a dramatic history and have had a bad few months. You are hanging around with people at the game who encourage you to revel in negativity and “get it out” abusing strangers because they play or football or support a different team to you. No one pulls you up on your behaviour, some people encourage it. After a while it seems normal to you that the football is a place for aggro rather than entertainment. You don’t even question it. The fact you are watching a *game* which is supposed to be fun rather than stressful is not a thought that comes often. One particular derby day, you are in an especially foul mood….

What we saw on the weekend is a symptom of several factors like those described above and I suspect due to several cultural factors associated with England (lack of social capital, us an them mentality, tendency toward acting the sheep rather than being the nail that sticks out, lack of religion, extremely naïve beliefs that the state can actually control individual behaviour/whinging culture that it inevitably doesn’t, broad tolerance of problem drinking and illicit substance abuse). Don’t think I’m acting superior England, Australian culture shares these traits.

Deep waters to work through there. Among the more likely preventative measures specific to football I’ve seen is the stadium lockouts. Yes there is injustice in people who haven’t done anything wrong being punished. But at least it reminds people that they are actually part of a community of fans rather than individuals in their seats disconnected from each other’s actions. That encourages them to stop each other from going too far/might make people think about what kind of atmosphere they are creating . I know some folks who served in the military who talked about the culture of collective responsibility – if one soldier in your unit stuffs up – you all get punished. As such it makes the soldiers look out for each other…wonder if that could help band aid over the problems at the football at least…
Hugo (NUFC) Adelaide

 

…Finding most of the mails about football’s hooligans (or any number of sneering, derogatory terms used by recent mailers) completely depressing. The message from those ‘normal people’ (seriously?!) appears to be that if you sing songs that are factually incorrect, swear, exhibit aggressive behaviour or set off a flare then you my friend are a bona fide football hooligan.

Get a grip. Football is tribal, that is what makes it the most popular sport in our country. There are many sports that require just as much or more skill to perform, more barriers to reach the top of, but that isn’t what people are there for. There is always going to be those that take this tribal element too far. No-one condones the sort of behaviour we saw at the weekend and the individuals should be rightly punished in accordance with the law. Same goes for anyone exhibiting ignorant, prejudiced and offensive views akin with those we commonly see thinly veiled in Westminster. But the tribal element is important. I think Adrian Tempany’s excellent book ‘And the sun shines now’ touches upon this and I am probably going to make a complete hash of getting this across now, but young men (and it is predominantly men) need an environment to express themselves, their frustrations or joy, in a group of their peers. Do we frown upon grown men celebrating wildly? Or is it just those that swear at strangers in the same way a grumpy motorist does?

It appears to me that we continually try to take this away. There is a reverse snobbery that comes out where swearing in a mail to Football365 is deemed fine to make a point, be it humorous or out of frustration. But sing it as part of goading a rival in a contest designed to pit two teams against each other and you are a hooligan. Set off flares as part of Dortmund’s yellow wall and we say ‘wow, what an atmosphere’ but we don’t want these ’morons’ disturbing the ‘normal people’ trying to watch the game here thank you very much. There seems to be a theme in the UK at the moment but just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it is invalid.

Please can we stop trying to turn football in to a spectator sport. It is one that needs to be participated in, to have heroes and villains, villains that you shout and swear at. Without that you lose most of the valuable connection, to a lot of people the only connection or representation they have to broader society. Just because people misbehave, and all people misbehave, doesn’t mean we should sanitise it beyond recognition.
Ant, CPFC

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